Who Are The Best Boxing Historians?

[Snopkins]

I often get those two muddled

Yes, of course, it was the other one from the same era with a similar name..
I was referring to the incident that often gets grossly exaggerated by a certain member.

When Joe Louis asked Lena Horne, with whom he was then having a relationship, to keep score for him at a Hollywood golf benefit, the singer refused -- she was entertaining troops that day. Joe hit her with a left hook. Then he started to choke her. In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr., Louis said that the only thing that saved Lena's life was an aunt in the next room who threatened to call the police. Louis was heavyweight champ at the time, enjoying brief matches with leading ladies.




Where is the exaggeration here,malone?

[1SILVA]

For sure.. I've read some of his stuff, and have occasionaly referenced him for information.. He was indeed, very knowledgeable on a number of sports..
I once made the mistake of cross referencing something he'd written about Louis, with one of the trolls on here, and questioned his reputation as a historian.. In doing that, I learned a valuable lesson, that Rust was telling the truth, and the troll was just adding his own unfounded exaggerations..

I wasn't aware Rust had died, and I'm surprised about him being destitute too.. It almost echo's the death of Louis who died in the same circumstances (or would have done, had it not been for 'Sir' Max Schmeling) shortly after Rust had completed the Bio..
It wasn't so long ago, I was reading one of his 'straight to the point' articles on racism in sport, very interesting and quite funny at times also..
RIP - to a man I once wrongly labeled as a Baseball correspondant..

HERE'S AN ARTICLE ABOUT HIS RECENT PASSING


Sports radio pioneer Art Rust dies at 82

BY David Hinckley
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, January 14th 2010, 4:00 AM
Art Rust, Jr.
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Art Rust, Jr.

Art Rust Jr., who died Tuesday at the age of 82, was remembered Wednesday as a pioneer not just for black broadcasters, but for all of sports talk radio.

"He was the godfather," said Tony Paige of WFAN. "He was the Jackie Robinson who paved the way for me and everyone else - Mike Francesa, Chris Russo, Michael Kay, everyone."

"You have to remember, when he started at WABC in 1981, there was no 'FAN or anything," says Steve Malzberg, who got his radio start as Rust's producer and is now on WOR. "There was just him. And he took New York by storm."

Rust, who in recent years struggled with Parkinson's disease, started in 1954 at WWRL, where he hosted the "Schaefer Circle of Sports." He also knew music, so he would interview Sonny Liston alongside a friend such as James Brown or Miles Davis.

He worked at NBC-TV from 1967 to 1973, returned to radio at WMCA and WINS and reached his greatest mainstream prominence in the 1980s at WABC, where he started his "Sportstalk" show while the station was still playing top-40 music.

"We were hired to do the Yankees pre-game show," Malzberg recalled yesterday. "Then the strike came and he was on 6-9 every night. And everyone listened."

Rust became known for throwback sports terminology such as "fling that leather." He also developed signature phrases, with the most famous referring to Yankee Stadium as "the big ball orchard in the South Bronx."

"Before Art's show, no one thought people wanted all sports on the radio," Paige said. "After him, someone said, 'Hey, this could work.'"

Rust called himself primarily a sports historian, and friends recalled his "encyclopedic" knowledge of boxing and baseball.

"I was on his radio show many times," recalled Daily News sports cartoonist Bill Gallo, who used to sit ringside with Rust when Rust wrote a column for The News. "We'd talk with all the big fighters, like Rocky Marciano, Rocky Graziano, Billy Graham, Jake La Motta. He knew everything about them."

Rust wrote a half-dozen books, many with his wife, Edna. He coauthored autobiographies with Darryl Strawberry and Joe Louis and collected oral histories from dozens of black sports figures, many of whom talked about the racial discrimination they faced.

He titled a 1976 collection "Get That N----- Off The Field," a 19th century quote generally attributed to Cap Anson, but which Rust said echoed for a century thereafter.

He picked that quote, he said, because "Hell, black people know what a n----- is because they're called it silently every day of their lives. ... I decided I'd rather be honest than inoffensive."

Rust was born in Harlem and grew up in New York as a passionate sports fan who attended Negro League as well as Major League baseball games. He remembered occasionally being spat on by white ballplayers when he asked for autographs.

Over his years as a writer and historian, say friends, he developed a cordial manner.

"He was a charming guy," Gallo said. "Very smooth. Very good company."

Malzberg recalled going to Super Bowls and Yankee spring training and other places where Rust would do his show.

"I was a kid, I had the time of my life," Malzberg said. "He took me under his wing. Without him I wouldn't be where I am today."

Rust's last regular radio job was at WBLS from 1991 to 1994. Edna died in 1986, and he is survived by his daughter, Suzanne.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/20...#ixzz0jr1sQGxT

[JAB5239]

When Joe Louis asked Lena Horne, with whom he was then having a relationship, to keep score for him at a Hollywood golf benefit, the singer refused -- she was entertaining troops that day. Joe hit her with a left hook. Then he started to choke her. In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr., Louis said that the only thing that saved Lena's life was an aunt in the next room who threatened to call the police. Louis was heavyweight champ at the time, enjoying brief matches with leading ladies.




Where is the exaggeration here,malone?

Well lets see, you've said Louis was an attempted murderer though he was never charged with any such crime at any time and most likely beat all his women though there is no proof of that either. You have also said you couldn't dig up your old posts as you don't even know what account you were posting under, yet you had no problem finding this. All flat out lies and exaggerations.

[mickey malone]

Well lets see, you've said Louis was an attempted murderer though he was never charged with any such crime at any time and most likely beat all his women though there is no proof of that either. You have also said you couldn't dig up your old posts as you don't even know what account you were posting under, yet you had no problem finding this. All flat out lies and exaggerations.

I knew he'd come out of his hole as soon as Art Rust's name came up..This is one of his favourite troll baits..
I've never read the book, so I can't really comment. But I'd say he's probably ****ed it up a bit, and Snotkins has added his fourpenneth.. Be interesting to hear from anyone else who's got the book..

[Snopkins]

Well lets see, you've said Louis was an attempted murderer though he was never charged with any such crime at any time and most likely beat all his women though there is no proof of that either. You have also said you couldn't dig up your old posts as you don't even know what account you were posting under, yet you had no problem finding this. All flat out lies and exaggerations.

It was Slimey Limey who made that claim actually.I personally never involved myself into that particular conversation.


Are you still in denial that Louis hit and nearly choked this woman to death? He himself claimed that the only reason he didn't kill her was because an aunt intervened.

[jameshepenstall]

Who in your opinion are the best boxing historians?

Bert Sugar is the only one i can think of.

[DR.ORGYY]

obvious answer bert sugar....

[JAB5239]

It was Slimey Limey who made that claim actually.I personally never involved myself into that particular conversation.


Are you still in denial that Louis hit and nearly choked this woman to death? He himself claimed that the only reason he didn't kill her was because an aunt intervened.

I never said he didn't hit her or choke her. But this is another example of how you exaggerate when using any little thing you can to put down Louis. Besides the book are you aware of any other telling of this incident? And if Louis did nearly "choke her to death" or even cracked her with a solid punch wouldn't she have been unconscious prompting the aunt to at the least call for medical help? What you've done is take a colorful description of the incident to make a ridiculous assumption with nothing to substantiate it. In other words you exaggerated.

[Snopkins]

I never said he didn't hit her or choke her. But this is another example of how you exaggerate when using any little thing you can to put down Louis. Besides the book are you aware of any other telling of this incident? And if Louis did nearly "choke her to death" or even cracked her with a solid punch wouldn't she have been unconscious prompting the aunt to at the least call for medical help? What you've done is take a colorful description of the incident to make a ridiculous assumption with nothing to substantiate it. In other words you exaggerated.

So in other words,you are in denial.You're questioning whether this incident even took place even though Louis himself stated that it happened.


Louis hit and then choked her and claimed that the only thing that prevented him from killing her was the aunt who threatened to call the police.

[JAB5239]

So in other words,you are in denial.You're questioning whether this incident even took place even though Louis himself stated that it happened.


Louis hit and then choked her and claimed that the only thing that prevented him from killing her was the aunt who threatened to call the police.

This is so typical of your trolling tendencies. You've repeated yourself and avoided answering the questions posed. No wonder you can't stay out of the red for more than a few dozen posts....if that.

CAN you answer the questions?