I dont get Harry Greb's boxing Record

[r.burgundy]

Greb fought every HW who would take him on and beat them all. He as never granted a title shot because Dempsey ducked him after Greb dominated him in sparring to the extent that Kearns ran Greb out of the training camp. If you're going to debate here then please at least get your facts straight.

my facts are strait.roy won a hw title,greb didnt.is that incorrect?

[JAB5239]

pretty much.ive never really heard futch go in depth except when talking of his own fighters,but bert sugar is tops of my list.

as far as this thread goes,look at you and some other guys posts.to hear you guys tell it greb didnt have any flaws.nobody talks about his flaws because the focus is more on the fights and the fact that he won.you act as if its unreasonable to think that he had any flaw that would be exploitable.

Hmmm. Do you mind posting the link where I said or even hinted Greb had no flaws? The basis of my argument has always been his resume and what we know about him through the fighters he fought that are on film. Personaly I think you have a bias against Bert Sugar and hold it against all other boxing historians. Sugar may come up with some ****amamie stuff, but he knows his history. Besides, do you really think he's any worse than someone saying Billy Conn invented the shoulder roll and was a better defensive fighter than Willie Pep after only seeing two of his fights?

[JAB5239]

my facts are strait.roy won a hw title,greb didnt.is that incorrect?

So what is more significant, taking on all or many of the top contenders in an era of only ONE champ, or winning a paper title against the weakest link in an era of four titles?

[r.burgundy]

Hmmm. Do you mind posting the link where I said or even hinted Greb had no flaws? The basis of my argument has always been his resume and what we know about him through the fighters he fought that are on film. Personaly I think you have a bias against Bert Sugar and hold it against all other boxing historians. Sugar may come up with some ****amamie stuff, but he knows his history. Besides, do you really think he's any worse than someone saying Billy Conn invented the shoulder roll and was a better defensive fighter than Willie Pep after only seeing two of his fights?

you misunderstand.i didnt say you said greb had no flaws per se,i just comment on how when these guys are discussed there flaws are never mentioned.i have a bias against bert just as he has a bias against anybody from the 90's.he knows history for sure,but the problem is he tries to twist it to suit his belief that the best boxers were all born before 1950,which is silly.

as far as the shoulder roll,ive only seen the mayweathers,toney and conn do it.and conn came 1st.i know toney is a big conn fan.and like your quick to point,you think greb is great from reading and seeing some video of his foes.so whats the diff when i base what ive read and heard of conn mixed with what ive seen?

[JAB5239]

you misunderstand.i didnt say you said greb had no flaws per se,i just comment on how when these guys are discussed there flaws are never mentioned.i have a bias against bert just as he has a bias against anybody from the 90's.he knows history for sure,but the problem is he tries to twist it to suit his belief that the best boxers were all born before 1950,which is silly.

as far as the shoulder roll,ive only seen the mayweathers,toney and conn do it.and conn came 1st.i know toney is a big conn fan.and like your quick to point,you think greb is great from reading and seeing some video of his foes.so whats the diff when i base what ive read and heard of conn mixed with what ive seen?

You've read about Conn using the shoulder roll? Where?

[r.burgundy]

So what is more significant, taking on all or many of the top contenders in an era of only ONE champ, or winning a paper title against the weakest link in an era of four titles?

i have no idea of the andscape of the heavy division when greb was fighting.dont know the politics involved and dont care.all that matters in this case is that roy won a belt while greb didnt even fight for 1.and just cause your the weakest link certainly doesnt make you incapable.many predicted jones was just to small to beat a heavy

[r.burgundy]

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You've read about Conn using the shoulder roll? Where?

i didnt read about conn using,i saw it!against 1 of the most accurate punchers in history at heavy.that trumps anything pep did in my opinion

[JAB5239]

i have no idea of the andscape of the heavy division when greb was fighting.dont know the politics involved and dont care.all that matters in this case is that roy won a belt while greb didnt even fight for 1.and just cause your the weakest link certainly doesnt make you incapable.many predicted jones was just to small to beat a heavy

This is exactly why you can't be taken seriously my friend. You' don't know what you're talking about, haven't bothered to learn it, and dismiss it if it doesn't fit your agenda.

This is hypothetical because I don't have the stats handy, but if Ruiz was a paper titlist but only ranked 6th by the ring and Greb beat the number 3 contender for the one and only title.....what is more impressive, Roy or Harry's W?

[JAB5239]

i didnt read about conn using,i saw it!against 1 of the most accurate punchers in history at heavy.that trumps anything pep did in my opinion

Oh, so you saw him use it and came to the conclusion he invented it, is that it? I mean you did say he invented it, right? Should I pull that post up?

[r.burgundy]

This is exactly why you can't be taken seriously my friend. You' don't know what you're talking about, haven't bothered to learn it, and dismiss it if it doesn't fit your agenda.

This is hypothetical because I don't have the stats handy, but if Ruiz was a paper titlist but only ranked 6th by the ring and Greb beat the number 3 contender for the one and only title.....what is more impressive, Roy or Harry's W?

and this why you cant be taken serious.we know ruiz is weaker than the rest because we have seen him,and he was the smallest.you refuse to acknowledge the fact that greb could have a list of ruiz's on his resume.

i dont understand your 2nd partare you asking if greb beats the rings #3 is that better than beating a champ who is ranked lower?