Joe Calzaghe vs James Toney Prime 4 Prime?

[Joey Giardello]

People talk about Joe's workrate but what people forget is that Joe had no defence and even though he would be in the fight with Toney he would catch too many punches and lose the fight because his defence would let him down, ive said it before i will say it again, Joe Calzaghe is not technically sound enough to beat elite fighters like Toney, Jones, Hopkins in their prime, both Hopkins and Jones managed to drop him and they are no where near the fighters they were.

good post i agree, against the elite calzaghe's defence would of always been his let down! calzaghe never went up against one elite fighter who was in his prime, even an old hopkins with no legs got a draw for me against joe, before roy jones got that terrible cut he dropped and was holding his own with joe. A prime toney, hopkins and jones would of all been way to much for calzaghe. Also i dont see joe beating the like's of mccallum or kalambay either both were to technically sound for calzaghe

[Dynamite Kid]

good post i agree, against the elite calzaghe's defence would of always been his let down! calzaghe never went up against one elite fighter who was in his prime, even an old hopkins with no legs got a draw for me against joe, before roy jones got that terrible cut he dropped and was holding his own with joe. A prime toney, hopkins and jones would of all been way to much for calzaghe. Also i dont see joe beating the like's of mccallum or kalambay either both were to technically sound for calzaghe

Agree, i struggle to see how Calzaghe would beat an elite technician with his defence, inferior technique, see how wide and square Calzaghe got when he got up from the Mitchell KD? if he were fighting a an elite fighter he would of payed the price big time, see the uppercuts Kessler nailed him with to, the right hooks/hands Reid was hitting him with?

[DeepSleep]

Calzaghe's style and activity would have netted him a few rounds against Toney, but in the end Toney would blast Calzaghe with one too many counter right hands and put him away.

[check hook]

Toney..............

[them_apples]

james by close decision, i think he had the ability to get a wide decision but even on his good nights he tended to take rounds off, even if he wasn't tired. since this gets done to death, i think calzaghe beats hopkins even back in the day on stamina alone. this is coming from probably the biggest hopkins fan on this forum. and i think jones beats calzaghe comfortably, with joe picking up most of his rounds after the 8th.

I dont agree with your Hopkins statement at all. Calzaghe just barely beat a Hopkins that was 43 years old and was already being criticized for having such a low punch out put.

Calzaghe has a good shot at Ud'ing Toney, but Toney got a good shot at Uding Calzaghe or even koing him as well.

[Postman prat]

I dont agree with your Hopkins statement at all. Calzaghe just barely beat a Hopkins that was 43 years old and was already being criticized for having such a low punch out put.

Listen,this isn't true at all.I easily beat Hopkins but one yank judge tried to rob me.I was the one making the fight and doing the actual fighting.Hopkins felt my power and went into his little philly shell from that point on.


Listen,I fought Hopkins in his prime and spanked him.

[Toney616]

I think toney has to many skills for joe, the toney who took apart prince charles williams and iran barkley beats the calzaghe that beat lacy

Even in those fights Toney took breathers by laying against the ropes, It would be a great fight though. Calzaghe may beable to sneak a ud on workrate alone, if a 35 year old McCallum could outwork Toney, then Im sure Calzaghe would have a good chance as well.

It would be either Toney by ko or Calzaghe by UD imo
cant really make up my mind

[Toney616]

I dont agree with your Hopkins statement at all. Calzaghe just barely beat a Hopkins that was 43 years old and was already being criticized for having such a low punch out put.

Why do Hopkins fans ingnore the fact that Hopkins was clinching and headbutting for the whole 12 rounds of that fight?

Calzaghe has a good shot at Ud'ing Toney, but Toney got a good shot at Uding Calzaghe or even koing him as well.

I agree with this

[RimmyDelicious]

I know Calzaghe isn't as good as Dave Tiberi, Drake Thadzi and Montell Griffin but I think he could have eeked it out.

[Toney616]

I know Calzaghe isn't as good as Dave Tiberi, Drake Thadzi and Montell Griffin but I think he could have eeked it out.

Toney is simply too inconsistent, losing to guys he had no business losing to.