At this moment who is the greater fighter Manny Pacquiao or Billy Conn?

[frankenfrank]

Lol, how you gonna use early losses against a guy with no amateur background?

which gave him more time and less b4 pro damage.
and i did not bring any of his early losses against him in my post , did i ?

And actually he would take more damage without the amateur experience having to learn each fight.

not to such a great extent against the level of opposition he had at the beginning.

[JAB5239]

not to such a great extent against the level of opposition he had at the beginning.

Not for nothing but I find it very hard to believe that you know anything about his early comp except what you see on boxrec. If you do, great. Educate me on his opponents amateur careers or lack of if you know about it.

[JAB5239]

who are those names ?

That just says it all right there. Pac must be the greater fighter, because you don't know the names on Conn's resume.

[BennyST]

At this moment it's Pacquiao!(sorry had to do that)

but of all time?

I would lean towards Pacquiao still, his victories and accomplishments outweigh Conn's in my opinion. I do respect Conn's accomplisments and he was a great, but what was his world title fight record? Something like 4-2!

You can't look at numbers like that and compare them. There was one title then. In how many divisions has Pac fought the one true champion? If you dismiss all his other stuff like the Cotto win, Hatton win, D. Diaz etc etc, they would all be non titlists back then and only contenders.

If you go back and look at who would have been the title holder back in Conn's time, there are very few that Pac has fought. It would probably equal a similar amount to Conn in reality. Even the lineal championships are suss today and don't equal the number one guy.

It is very hard to tell the story from title numbers today compared to older eras. They simply don't compare in any way, shape or form.