Who are the Top 20 Greatest British Fighters?

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You edited the orginal post you had. You had the incorrect record of Chingangu like 3-6 when he fought Hide and you confused it with Chingangu and that is why i said the fight ended shortly after a clash of heads. I have the career sets of Bowe and Klitschko and I have seen Hide fight before. I saw his wins and i did review the lists of greatest british fighters on various publications when i made my top 200 a while back and he made some of those lists. Hide has never lost to a fighter who was of equal or smaller size than him. You claimed that all of Hide wins at Cruiser were to unranked or unrated fighters and that already has been exposed as untrue.

No I didn't.I listed Hide's fight with Chingangu,as I have seen Hide's fight with Kulikauskas and know what happened.


Hide lost to a bum.He spent a great deal of his career as a heavyweight and Chingangu was a simple tune up for a fight with Danny Williams.


Alphabet rankings don't mean anything and most fans know this already.The only rankings which anybody has ever given credibility to are the ring rankings.

YYou keep mentioning the Chingangu lost as it was never avenged with a 1st round KO. Did Bruno or Hatton avenge any of their brutal KO's?

I already acknowledged that he avenged his loss.Chingangu isn't a fighter worth speaking of.Hide had no business losing to him in the first place and he became a laughing stock of british boxing because of it.

If Hatton and Bruno was layed out by a bum then I'd hold it against them too.

YI edited the list by keeping it consistent with my own rule of fighters born only in the four countries listed as part of the United Kingdom. Many great irish fighters didnt make it and i removed Hide for that reason. GJC just reminded me of Mendoza the third great british bareknuckler, very useful suggestion, he definitely deservers great consideration just on impact and certainly more influential in the history of British Pugilism than Danny Williams, RIcky Hatton, and Bruno.

Which is fine.I never argued the ranking of any fighter except Herbie Hide

YIf you had written your own list i woudlnt waste my time calling you out for any trivial stuff. Because guess what everyone has their own list and is entitled to their opinion. There are various factors people decide on what is greatness? Some look at who you beat, how often you fought, your techinical skill, weight and reach disadvantages, fighting and winning in foreign countries, the number of titles, titles in different weight classeses etc. Sure people can make suggestions and recomendations. Bruno and Hatton dosent make my list if you love them than have them on your list.

If I started a thread,entitled "top ten fighters of all time" and included fighters that deserved no such ranking,then I'd get called out for it.


Opinions are opinions,and it works both ways.

YI never called out anyone in the top mexican or top argentine list even if we had disagreements. I am sure people didnt agree with me having Juan martin Coggi as high as I did.

Coggi isn't actually a ridiculous name to put in such a list.If I listed Robin Reid as one of the greatest British fighters of all time then I'd probably get alot of stick for it.

YThe ignorance is that people bring their own opinion in assessing a fighter's career. Ricky Hatton won a good portion of his fights due to fighting in Manchester. He hits in back of the head, grabs and holds, hits during breaks, grabs and arm hits with another. If you think Hatton is techinically a proficient fighter than fine. If he had fought outiside of manchester he wouldnt have got away with half of that stuff. Remember mayweather vs Hatton? The english fans went crazy because Cortez wouldnt allow hatton to hit and hold. In addition, he was hitting in back of the head and was warranted in having his point taken away. How many points did hatton have taken away in all of those fights in Manchester?

Hatton won a good portion of his fights because he spent a long time facing fighters who didn't belong in the same ring with.Fighting old,faded fighters who were barely fringe contender status during their peak.But he has beaten a number of fighters who have competed at a world class level.



I already stated I wasn't a fan of Hatton or his style.


Where did I say Hatton was this technical genius that you suggest that I said he was?

YBruno got murdered in 3 rounds by a fighter who had been in prison for several years and is like 5 inches shorter and who gives up more than 10 inches in reach. He got murdered by Tyson twice. You belittle Tucker but he also lasted the distance with Lewis another fighter that murdered Bruno.

Is Marcus Geraldo a better fighter than Thomas Hearns because he was able to last the distance with Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler?


I didn't belittle Tucker,I said he was washed up,which he was.Bruno's fight with Lewis was highly competitive and Bruno was actually ahead on one of the scorecards,the other two being even.

YHide lost only to bigger guys and also beat bigger guys. You call his titles paper titles but he held titles in two weight classes. Hide is currently ranked and what are Bruno and Hatton doing?

You belittle fighters as Hide and say he had no legacy and accomplished nothing. Gee you must have accomplished a great deal to belittle someone who has held titles and fought big prizefights.

We are not talking about me,are we? Comparing Hide to others,his resume is simply lacking.


International titles are not world titles and nobody counts them as anything less than a joke.Hide is a one division champion.



Bruno is nearly 50 years of age.

YYou mention as fact losses dont count for nothing? How about if the lost is disputed and its a SD? Is a SD, MD, or UD, or a TKO the same? Why is there debates about Norton's fights with Ali or Holmes? Pacquaio vs Marquez 2 didn't help JMM when many thought won the fight. Do you think hatton's lost to Pacquiao is similar to Marquez lost to Pacquiao? Why did Marquez keep fighting and Hatton retire?

Norton lost close decisions than could have easily of been argued in his favour,same with Marquez against Pacquiao.This isn't the same as losing a clear decision.


Hatton hasn't retired and already announced he is going to fight sometime in the summer.As for Marquez,he's a much better fighter than Hatton and would probably knock him out too.

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Regardless of our feelings about Herbie Hide - I doubt there are many 200lb fighters out there RIGHT NOW who fancy giving him a shot. The Herbie of today is a shadow of his former self - but he retains one hell of an equalizer.