Who are the Top 20 Greatest British Fighters?

[geribeetus]

your credibility has now been blown.... Frank would `behead`Haye within 2rds

probably. he's a ****load bigger than haye. haye was the man at cruiser though.

[GJC]

Overall, the pommy bastards are actually a hard lot to rank well.

lol @ pommy bastards. Probably a struggle because we got more than 5 goods un's Benny?

[mickey malone]

Mickey I think you'll kick yourself forgetting John Conteh

Yeah, I knew there was at least one and although a great talent, achievement wise, i'm not so sure whether he'd make my top 20.. I'd feel bad about taking Frank out lol..

[HaglerSteelChin]

your credibility has now been blown.... Frank would `behead`Haye within 2rds

And your intellectual capacity has been exposed. Frank Bruno never defended his paper belt even once. He was murdered by TYSON TWICE. WHile guys like Tiliis, Green, Bonecrusher, and TNT Tucker lasted the distance with Tyson- BRUNO was murdered. To add insult even Tyson made mocking comments after the fight.

FIghters are judged by their overall accomplishments not just by head to head competition. Sandy Saddler beat Willie Pepp three out of four times does that mean Saddler should be rated higher P4P than Pepp? BOth Hearns and Benitez beat Duran does that mean both should be higher than Duran? Terry Norris beat an old SRL- He is better than Leonard? Haye accomplished more in Cruiser than Bruno ever did at Heavyweight. The fact that Haye moved up and was the first to get an OFFICIAL win over Valuev instantly makes acheivements surpass anything that Bruno ever did. Hopefully, this dosent go over your head.

[HaglerSteelChin]

I would have included Barry Mcguigan but he has the same issue with guys like Tszyu and Famechon of Australia. Mcguigan was born in Ireland and his irish patriots consider him one of their own. I would agree on Collins and felt he probably would beat Calzaghe if they ever fought. Steve Collins was born in Ireland and not Northern Ireland. His name was scribbled under Jack Kid Berg and yet i didn't put him on the final 20 due to his Irish background. He accomplished more than Froch and Hatton ever did but i said fighters born in either Northern Ireland, Scotland, England, or Wales. Wayne McCullough a fighter born in Northern Ireland would qualify. A guy like Herbie Hide although born in Nigeria pretty much fought his career inside of UK but out of consistency i might as well take Hide out for a british born fighter

[Bright-Eyes]

I will include fighters from England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland all are part of the UK.


1- Jimmy Wilde
2- Bob Fitzsimmons
3- Ted Kid Lewis
4- Jem Mace
5- Freddie Welsh
6- Lennox Lewis
7- Jim Driscoll
8- Joe Calzaghe
9- Ken Buchanan
10-Jack "Kid" Berg
11- Randy Turpin
12- Chris Eubank
13- Benny Lynch
14- Nigel Benn
15- Freddie Mills
16- Lloyd Honeyghan
17- Owen Moran
18- Prince Naseem
19- Herbie Hide
20- David Haye

If you're going to hold losses that never actually happened agaianst Hatton,then how would you defend Hide's loss to Joseph Chingangu?


Hide doesn't have a better resume than Hatton,bruno or even Danny Williams.

[HaglerSteelChin]

If you're going to hold losses that never actually happened agaianst Hatton,then how would you defend Hide's loss to Joseph Chingangu?


Hide doesn't have a better resume than Hatton,bruno or even Danny Williams.

What happened in that fight? It was CUTS that led to the stoppage on that fight it wasen't a regular KO or TKO and could have been easily scored a NC. Nonetheless, Hide got revenge by murdering Chingangu in ONE ROUND. Hide had titles in both the CW and HW divisions and several defenses. Sure some were paper titles as intl titles but he did demonstrate success in two divisions. Bruno never defended his HW title even once. Williams resume compard to Hide is laughable. Williams never won a title from the 4 major sanctioning bodies which Hide did. Williams claim to fame is beating a shot Mike Tyson which would be replicated by an IRish Journeyman called Kevin Mcbride.

As far as Hatton vs Hide i think its alot closer than the other two. Hatton NEVER won a fight outside of 140. He got a gift decision against Collazo who was the WBA WW champ. The last rd should have been scored 10-8 for Collzao he had Hatton in ***** street and even some of the BBC people said Hatton was lucky to get the win. Hide did hold titles in two divisions and several wins in both Cruiser and HW and one of the highest KO percentages in british boxing history. Hatton can make a comeback like Hide did. Hide has comeback to win like a dozen or so fights and restored his legacy. The list is not set in stone and current fighters can move up or down. Although Hide fought mainly in the UK he was born in NIgeria and i guess for consistency i will replace Hide with Tom Cribb a bareknuckler who influenced the sport

Like some people have done who disagree with my list they make their own list.

[oldgringo]

I think Steve Robinson deserves a mention as well. He went on two really good runs in his career and turned nothing into something. His story is really cool if you ask me.

[Bright-Eyes]

What happened in that fight? It was CUTS that led to the stoppage on that fight it wasen't a regular KO or TKO and could have been easily scored a NC.

Yes it was.The fight is up on youtube,go watch it.Joseph Chingangu destroyed Hide,knocking him down twice in the 1st,rocked him and dropped him again in the 2nd and finally dropping him for the 4th time at which point the ref waved an end to the fight

Hide had titles in both the CW and HW divisions and several defenses. Sure some were paper titles as intl titles but he did demonstrate success in two divisions. Bruno never defended his HW title even once. Williams resume compard to Hide is laughable. Williams never won a title from the 4 major sanctioning bodies which Hide did. Williams claim to fame is beating a shot Mike Tyson which would be replicated by an IRish Journeyman called Kevin Mcbride.

A shot Mike Tyson is better than a shot Tony Tucker.Williams holds wins over Meehan,a shot Tyson,Skelton,Harrison,Julius Francis,Sprott 2x which is more than Hide's two wins over a shot Tucker and Michael rentt



Hide never demonstrated any success in the cruiserweight division.He has fought and beaten no ranked cruiserweight.Bruno defended his title against Tyson,alot better than Hide's defenses over Damon Reed and Willie fischer.bruno could have taken the easy route and defended his title against cans too.



Even when bruno lost,he was atleast competitive at a world class level.The only time Hide fought at a world class level was when he was destroyed.

As far as Hatton vs Hide i think its alot closer than the other two. Hatton NEVER won a fight outside of 140. He got a gift decision against Collazo who was the WBA WW champ. The last rd should have been scored 10-8 for Collzao he had Hatton in ***** street and even some of the BBC people said Hatton was lucky to get the win. Hide did hold titles in two divisions and several wins in both Cruiser and HW and one of the highest KO percentages in british boxing history. Hatton can make a comeback like Hide did. Hide has comeback to win like a dozen or so fights and restored his legacy. The list is not set in stone and current fighters can move up or down. Although Hide fought mainly in the UK he was born in NIgeria and i guess for consistency i will replace Hide with Tom Cribb a bareknuckler who influenced the sport

Hide didn't have a legacy to begin with,nevermind restoring it.Who has Hide beaten since he came back? Juan Lazcan is a better fighter than the bums Hide has been bumping off over the last couple of years.



Hatton beat Collazo and no opinion will change that.To score a round 10-8 without any point deduction or a knockdown will need alot more than what Collazo did in that round.He hurt hatton,but he never dominated him to a point where a 10-8 was justified.Hatton did score a 10-8 round in knocking down Collazo however.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Yes it was.The fight is up on youtube,go watch it.Joseph Chingangu destroyed Hide,knocking him down twice in the 1st,rocked him and dropped him again in the 2nd and finally dropping him for the 4th time at which point the ref waved an end to the fight






A shot Mike Tyson is better than a shot Tony Tucker.Williams holds wins over Meehan,a shot Tyson,Skelton,Harrison,Julius Francis,Sprott 2x which is more than Hide's two wins over a shot Tucker and Michael rentt



Hide never demonstrated any success in the cruiserweight division.He has fought and beaten no ranked cruiserweight.Bruno defended his title against Tyson,alot better than Hide's defenses over Damon Reed and Willie fischer.bruno could have taken the easy route and defended his title against cans too.



Even when bruno lost,he was atleast competitive at a world class level.The only time Hide fought at a world class level was when he was destroyed.







Hide didn't have a legacy to begin with,nevermind restoring it.Who has Hide beaten since he came back? Juan Lazcan is a better fighter than the bums Hide has been bumping off over the last couple of years.



Hatton beat Collazo and no opinion will change that.To score a round 10-8 without any point deduction or a knockdown will need alot more than what Collazo did in that round.He hurt hatton,but he never dominated him to a point where a 10-8 was justified.Hatton did score a 10-8 round in knocking down Collazo however.

What's worse getting KOD by a bigger fighter as Klitschko or getting KOD by a shorter fighter as Bruno did twice? Hide atleast defended his WBO title twice in his second reigh as champion and won the title before. If you want to knock his competitors than please talk about Bruno's great win over Oliver "Crying Baby" McCall. Hide is naturally a cruiser and small HW and NEVER lost to a guy same size or smaller. His major losses were to big HW's as Klitschko and Bowe two major HW champions of the last 20 years. James Tillis, TNT TUcker, Mitch Blood Green, and Bonecrusher Smith all went the distance with Tyson as did Ruddock in their rematch; yet Bruno couldn't even go HALF the distance in his two fights with Tyson. BTW, the Tyson who came back from prison was not even a shell of the fighter who he was from 1985-1991. BTW, i also rate Hide win over Tucker anytime over the win by Bruno over Mccall. Tucker was undefeated for a good portion of his career and gave Tyson his biggest challenge from 1985-1989, he also beat Mccall the guy that Bruno got the paper title from.

You mention the lost to Chingagu but dont mention he avenged his lost with by murdering Chingagu on 1 Rd. As far Hide's comback he almost had a title shot for the vacant WBO title against Maccarinelli even with few weeks notice but it didnt happen . He beat May who was ranked high by the WBO when he got that title shot. Hide is rated as high #6 currently by the WBO and is ranked by the WBC currently #3 as their intl champion. He is ranked by other organizations and publications. Atleast Hide holds a title at 38 while Hatton at 30 was KTFO by a former Flyweight champion and possibly finished with the sport. Guys like Marquez, Barrera, Larios, and Morales in the first fight
all smaller guys went the distance with pac.

Hatton was a hold and punch fighter than reduced boxing to a wrestling match. He has horrible defensive skills which allowed him to get KO'd by a check hook. I give him props for heart and determination and he could be ranked top 20 if you want to create your own list. But the fact that Hide has a title at 38 and is ranked does count for something. Hide won the WBO titles on two occassions, held intl titles in both HW and Cruiser. He has 0 losses to fighters smaller than him and has beat guys with height and reach advantages while giving over 20 pounds and has beaten an opponent who weighed like 90 pounds more than him.

BTW, the final round against Collazo he was holding on for dear life and if that is not a 10-8 round than the judges who scored RD 5 10-8 for SRL against Hearns in the second fight must have been taking a controlled substance.

Haye dominated a 7 foot 300 pound giant and held legit titles in 2 divisions while Bruno had 0 defenses of his title that he won by McCall.

But you are entitled to your opinion Bright Eyes and we are all still waiting for your Top 20 list.