Who was the strongest heavyweight puncher of all time?

[Imira]

It's fair.

Oscar de la Hoya was the first (maybe the only) to kd Hector Camacho at welterweight, but he hasn't the power of, say, Trinidad, at that category. What happened is that Oscar made a precise, and at the right moment, 45º punch. Same for Carnera being ko by Louis, note that Louis is a fine puncher, with high precision and timing.

Also, Carnera, before facing Louis boxed in maybe the worst era of heavyweights, the beginning of 1930 decade was bad.

No, it's not. Your example of DLH and Camacho is an example of getting caught with a good shot, which still doesn't prove that Carnera didn't have much of a chin. Louis' KO of him is different. Carnera went to the canvas due to Louis' power.

My idea is that the guys they koed weren't built like Rahman (235lb muscle+bone), Lewis (same), for example, Willard of Dempsey fight wasn't all muscle+bone, because, in part, other training methods were used these times, and in Willard example, he was getting older.

Now you seem to be changing your argument. There is no such thing as 6'6" 250 in 1937 and 6'6" 250 in 2005. There is no difference.

As far as their body structure, you need to see Buddy Baer, Primo Carnera and Abe Simon if you want to know how solidly these guys were built. On the films, you can see the muscles in their backs. They were definitely much more solid than Rahman.

The fact remains that Louis knocked out larger fighters than most of today's fighters have even been defeated by.

[butterfly1964]

No, it's not. Your example of DLH and Camacho is an example of getting caught with a good shot, which still doesn't prove that Carnera didn't have much of a chin. Louis' KO of him is different. Carnera went to the canvas due to Louis' power.



Now you seem to be changing your argument. There is no such thing as 6'6" 250 in 1937 and 6'6" 250 in 2005. There is no difference.

As far as their body structure, you need to see Buddy Baer, Primo Carnera and Abe Simon if you want to know how solidly these guys were built. On the films, you can see the muscles in their backs. They were definitely much more solid than Rahman.

The fact remains that Louis knocked out larger fighters than most of today's fighters have even been defeated by.

yeah, you're probably right. at least they were a natural 250lbs.

[double O]

Ernie Shavers.

Holmes said when he fought Tyson that he was a snappy puncher, when he got hit by shavers he thought for a whole minute that all the press were taking photo's of him with very bright flashlights & they were everywhere!

[Imira]

Ernie Shavers.

Holmes said when he fought Tyson that he was a snappy puncher, when he got hit by shavers he thought for a whole minute that all the press were taking photo's of him with very bright flashlights & they were everywhere!

Did you see how he crumbled when he went down and wobbled around the ring after he got back up?

[Southpaw Stinger]

Got to give it to Big George Foreman!

[MickyHatton]

I actually know Ernie Shavers he works a doorman/head of security in my home town of Liverpool, he maintains that he hit the hardest!

He also says that the only Heavyweights who had the similar thudding power were Foreman, Lewis and Bruno.

[butterfly1964]

I actually know Ernie Shavers he works a doorman/head of security in my home town of Liverpool, he maintains that he hit the hardest!

He also says that the only Heavyweights who had the similar thudding power were Foreman, Lewis and Bruno.

i believe liston hit harder than lewis and bruno.

[Imira]

i believe liston hit harder than lewis and bruno.

Bruno...I still can't get over the fact that he's even on this list. Who has he knocked out? Aside from Carl "The Truth Is I Have No Chin" Williams?

[MickyHatton]

Bruno...I still can't get over the fact that he's even on this list. Who has he knocked out? Aside from Carl "The Truth Is I Have No Chin" Williams?

38 out of his 40 wins were by KO!

He also knocked out James 'Quick' Tillis and former WBA Champion Gerry Coetzee.

I'm not saying that he was a great fighter but he had awesome power, we are talking one punch knock outs.

Dont forget his loses were against good or great opponents, James Bonecrusher Smith, Tim Witherspoon, Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson and he was a World Champion himself!

[Imira]

38 out of his 40 wins were by KO!

He also knocked James 'Quick' Tillis and former WBA Champion Gerry Coetzee.

I'm not saying that he was a great fighter but he had awesome power, we are talking one punch knock outs.

Dont forget his loses were aginst good or great opponents, James Bonecrusher Smith, Tim Witherspoon, Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson and he was a World Champion himself!

Cool. I didn't know that. Probably because I don't care about Bruno. Thanks for the info.