Heavyweight Tournement

[Schmerzen]

patterson had a faster handspeed, tyson had a faster footwork.




2:10 - 2:17

tyson doesnt need to take shots to get inside and start landing clean punches on foreman.

[Poet682006]

patterson had a faster handspeed, tyson had a faster footwork.




2:10 - 2:17

tyson doesnt need to take shots to get inside and start landing clean punches on foreman.

Newsflash: That ain't George Foreman he's in there with in that vid.....not even remotely in the ballpark. That's Reggie ****ing Gross: A tomato can.

Poet

[Schmerzen]

Newsflash: That ain't George Foreman he's in there with in that vid.....not even remotely in the ballpark. That's Reggie ****ing Gross: A tomato can.

Poet

and?
he cant hit tyson clean, can he ?
foreman was never that much skilled, he had more power than any other heavyweight ever, thats why he beat frazier and norton so bad.
but with tyson he has someone on the same lvl powerwise, and i think u would agree tyson had better boxing skills than foreman.

[Poet682006]

and? he cant hit tyson clean, can he ?
foreman was never that much skilled, he had more power than any other heavyweight ever, thats why he beat frazier and norton so bad.

I think you're shortchanging Foreman in the skills department. There's a huge gulf between the skills of Foreman and the skills of Gross and it makes a huge difference when it comes to hitting an opponent.

i think u would agree tyson had better boxing skills than foreman.

He was somewhat more skilled than Foreman but let's not get carried away and start anointing Tyson with skills on the level of say a Holmes or an Ali. Tyson is a skilled fighter but he's not THAT skilled a fighter.

Poet

[Jim Jeffries]

did u watch ron lyle vs foreman?

prime tyson has a good chance to beat foreman.

Great fight, lots of action. You see Tyson/Douglas? Tyson/Holyfield?

By most accounts of folks near Tyson, Foreman was the only fighter he never personally wanted any part of. Can't remember who the quote came from (maybe Rudy Gonzalez) but Tyson allegedly once told King, who was selling Tyson on a Foreman fight in China "You want him so bad, you fight him." Tyson was always a little bit of a head case even when he was on; if he had doubts, Foreman would have exploited them.

I always wondered why he was fighting a can like Douglas when he had Holyfield and Foreman waiting in the wings.

[Schmerzen]

i just know tyson is the youngest heavyweight champion of all time for a reason.
and btw. tyson had a way better head movement than holmes.
thats why im not sure about holmes having more skills than tyson.

[Jim Jeffries]

i just know tyson is the youngest heavyweight champion of all time for a reason.
and btw. tyson had a way better head movement than holmes.
thats why im not sure about holmes having more skills than tyson.

By a few months on Floyd Patterson. Didn't really help Floyd much when he got in the ring with Liston, now did it?

[Schmerzen]

By a few months on Floyd Patterson. Didn't really help Floyd much when he got in the ring with Liston, now did it?

liston was like a hungry lion in the first fight vs floyd patterson, he had waited enough for a title-fight.
tyson was a better version of patterson, he had the better genetics.
i also think sonny liston was a better boxer than foreman, so i dont know how he would be able to fight like liston.
liston would try to keep tyson away with his long arms and knock him out in the late rounds.
foremans skill lvl wouldnt allow him to do what liston could do against tyson or did to patterson

[crold1]

Great fight, lots of action. You see Tyson/Douglas? Tyson/Holyfield?



I always wondered why he was fighting a can like Douglas when he had Holyfield and Foreman waiting in the wings.

That was all King doing business. Tyson wanted to go straight to Holy and didn't care to fight Douglas (I know this can be found in Gonzalez's book...great story about a limo chase for Tyson's attention).

Far as Foreman...I buy that Mike didn't like that fight. He was a deep student of the game; something he didn't like about even the old George. Young or old, George could hit and had one of the great Heavyweight jabs ever.

[Fighting Marine]

Hyperthetical 8 man Heavyweight Tournement to give us something to discuss...All contestants are in their prime, please explain how you see these fights unfolding:

A/. Mike Tyson
B/. Joe Frazier
C/. Muhammad Ali
D/. George Foreman
E/. Vitali Klitschko
F/. Larry Holmes
G/. Evander Holyfield
H/. Lennox Lewis

ROUND 1

Fighter A vs Fighter H

Fighter B vs Fighter G

Fighter C vs Fighter F

Fighter D vs Fighter E

ROUND 2

Winner of A vs H vs Winner of D vs E

Winner of B vs G vs Winner of C vs F

FINAL

Round 2

Mike Tyson vs George Foreman (George Foreman will destroy any pressure fighter in history)

Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier

Final: Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman

Winner: Muhammad Ali