Tell me how do you think each of these fights may end

[JAB5239]

what i have i have against these lunatic posters who enshrined louis as a saint. the guy was down against supermiddleweights.
most of his era's hw division could have made 168 in our time.
marciano could make 175. charles probably even 160 , and 168 at every point of his career without difficulty had there been such a division in his time and he chose to compete in it. walcott was a 175 too . louis himself could have made 190 at almost every point of his career and 200 for sure , a legitimate cw. schmelling was a light cruiserweight himself.
still

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What you are failing to realize is the fighters back than train DOWN to their lowest possible weight. None of these guys are going to much (a pound or two maybe) lower in weight than what the weighed for their actual fights.

louis was bigger than most of his opponents , just like ali , holmes , foreman , valuev and the klitschkos were , but small enough to be quickly destroyed by tua.

You can just let that little fantasy go. Yua would get embarrassed against Louis and other greats. He was a one handed fighter.

as i said , louis is overrated , he would have his arse handed to him had he competed at hw at the 70's , at tyson's time and also today.

He would have his ass handed to him in these era's like lesser fighters such a Quarry and Holyfield who excelled? Lmao!!

today is a weak era but the klitschkos and especially vitali are not weak for any time. wlad could have ruled in holmes time , vitali at any time.

Vitaly, todays Primo Carnera could have ruled in any era. Funny how you make this claim yet give no credit to Louis for destroying Primo.

and really i am not a fan of them , it does not take a great deal of talent to be so much bigger than your opponents and to abuse them , that's why i will never accept p4p recognition to all those big champs i mentioned , louis included (he was big for HIS time).
the most overrated fighter in these forums.
who's fault is it ?
those farts fault.
let them get f u c k ed.
cheers.

Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Dude, this is you all time list and you expect to be taken seriously?

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. David Tua
5. Mike Tyson
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Oliver McCall
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Chris Byrd

Bwwaaaahaaaaahhhaaaaahhaaahaahhhhhaahaaaaa!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What exactly is you criteria for greatness here?

[mickey malone]

Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Dude, this is you all time list and you expect to be taken seriously?

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. David Tua
5. Mike Tyson
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Oliver McCall
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Chris Byrd

Bwwaaaahaaaaahhhaaaaahhaaahaahhhhhaahaaaaa!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What exactly is you criteria for greatness here?

This is clearly a case of Frankenscents being diluted and totally diminished by Gold.. Nice one Jab!!! Ownership in it's essence

[DeepSleep]

Good post. One correction though.....Louis was only stopped by Schmeling and Marciano, and many think the first stoppage was before his prime when he didn't train properly for this fight. We all know the Marciano stoppage was when he was 87 and escaped from the retirement home.

Woops my bad, I was too exited for the college BBall on tonight to think clearly I guess. I'll fix that.

[JAB5239]

Woops my bad, I was too exited for the college BBall on tonight to think clearly I guess. I'll fix that.

Its all good. I think most know what you meant but I figured I would correct before some troll came rolling along.

[frankenfrank]

Q: if tua jumped on louis like he did ruiz and moorer , what would louis do ?
A: Knock him TFO !


wrong.
tua has better punch and better power than louis , and his victims were superior to louis' a fact is louis was stopped twice as a pro , and tua none.
tua fought formidable opposition far more than louis' .
to those who think thhe fighters then trained down to their weights , they forget today's fighters also dehydrate to their weighing weights which are significantly lower than their fighting weights.

ali and holmes could give the klitschkos problems but thier reach is exagerrated . louis' reach was a poor 74" , 76" according to last checks.
reach and height data are greatly exaggerated and the exaggeration itself varies largely from one fighter to another , also , height is even more important than reach and this for reaching purposes alone.

[StarshipTrooper]

Q: if tua jumped on louis like he did ruiz and moorer , what would louis do ?
A: Knock him TFO !


wrong.
tua has better punch and better power than louis , and his victims were superior to louis' a fact is louis was stopped twice as a pro , and tua none.
tua fought formidable opposition far more than louis' .
to those who think thhe fighters then trained down to their weights , they forget today's fighters also dehydrate to their weighing weights which are significantly lower than their fighting weights.

This is too ******ed to bother with an intelligent response.

ali and holmes could give the klitschkos problems but thier reach is exagerrated . louis' reach was a poor 74" , 76" according to last checks.
reach and height data are greatly exaggerated and the exaggeration itself varies largely from one fighter to another , also , height is even more important than reach and this for reaching purposes alone.

Sorry Dude. You don't get to rewrite boxing theory to suit your agenda. Reach is the most important physical attribute and height is the least.

And to rectify your rediculous assertion over Ali and Holmes' reach:

Vitali Klitschko - Reach: 80"
Wladimir Klitschko - Reach: 81"
Lennox Lewis - Reach: 84"
David Tua - Reach: 70"

Muhammad Ali - Reach: 80"
George Foreman - Reach: 82"
Sonny Liston - Reach: 84"
Earnie Terrell - Reach: 82"

Joe Louis - Reach: 76"
Max Baer - Reach: 81"
Primo Carnera - Reach: 85"
Jess Willard - Reach: 83"

Assuming you are at least semi-literate (a BIG assumption to be sure) all these fighters reaches are easily accessable.

Poet

[donkim]

Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Good one.

He would have his ass handed to him in these era's like lesser fighters such a Quarry and Holyfield who excelled? Lmao!!.

Holyfield and Quarry both had tremendous chins and alot of heart.....something Joe Louis lacked throughout his career.

[JAB5239]

Q: if tua jumped on louis like he did ruiz and moorer , what would louis do ?
A: Knock him TFO !


wrong.
tua has better punch and better power than louis , and his victims were superior to louis' a fact is louis was stopped twice as a pro , and tua none.
tua fought formidable opposition far more than louis' .
to those who think thhe fighters then trained down to their weights , they forget today's fighters also dehydrate to their weighing weights which are significantly lower than their fighting weights.

ali and holmes could give the klitschkos problems but thier reach is exagerrated . louis' reach was a poor 74" , 76" according to last checks.
reach and height data are greatly exaggerated and the exaggeration itself varies largely from one fighter to another , also , height is even more important than reach and this for reaching purposes alone.

Name all of todays fat heavyweights who train down to their best weight. Tua? Arreola? Peter? Povetkin? Valuev? Just name me 5 of them in the top 15.

[frankenfrank]

Name all of todays fat heavyweights who train down to their best weight. Tua? Arreola? Peter? Povetkin? Valuev? Just name me 5 of them in the top 15.

(1) i thought the one whom meant 'train down to their best weight' meant every but only the bounded weight classes
(2) arreola and peter are very fat indeed.
(3) i think that if you consider their decision of competing at 201+ a given , then tua and povetkin perform better as they are and don't need a serious trimming. tua was not that fat against byrd , and what happened . also : povetkin is a 201+ since his amateur days , a rare thing.
savon competed at a lower class , remember that ali and holyfield came from 178 .. mercer was 200 as an amateur (he was too fat too)