Alexis Arguello's loss to Vilomar Fernandez?

[BennyST]

LMAO.Have you even seen the Tszyu-Phillips fight? There were no "lucky shots".It was just a case of Kostya Tszyu fighting a a decent fighter with a pulse.Phillips took Tszyu's overrated power and laughed and Tszyu couldn't take his.

So, up to that point Roger Mayweather 54-10, Angel Hernandez 40-1, Jake Rodriguez 26-2, Hugo Pineda 27-0, Jan Bergman 32-0, Sammy Fuentes 23-10 (went on to win the title just after he got beaten by Tszyu), Pedro Jonson 26-1 (only loss a very close MD to unbeaten Oba Carr), Corey Johnson 20-1, Hector Lopez 26-2 (was exactly the opposite of a guy with no pulse) etc had no pulse against a guy with literally half their amount of fights or a lot less even? Considering he fought most of these guys with only ten fights or more and most were present, future or former champions.

Stop being so bitter and hateful. It's boring and shows a lack of intelligence and thought process. Anyway, I guess nothing will change so you just keep on thinking you're smart and know what you're talking about. It's a bit sad but oh well.....

[Dynamite Kid]

Well, Fernandez wasn't exactly a chump journeyman. He was very skilled and and was great at spoiling. He has some very good wins and was obviously at his best against better opposition because he rose to the occasion each time he stepped up. He showed great skill in all his big fights and was very difficult to handle. It shouldn't be that much of a surprise as if you watch the fight you can see Fernandez would have been a handful for anyone.

He was difficult to hit cleanly, was quick, counter punched well, moved a lot and could keep it up for long periods of time. He was one of those very good fighters that just never really solidified everything into a great run. Had some fantastic wins but was too inconsistent.

It's possible that if it was a title fight that Arguello would have won the last few rounds and either pulled out a draw or even won being that he was so strong in the championship rounds.

But, if you watch Fernandez fight he was a very tricky customer and for a guy that was as straight forward as Arguello was, someone like that was always going to cause him problems. I'm surprised they put him in with Fernandez after the way Ernesto Marcel handled him too. Marcel was very tricky and slick, fast, counter punched etc. Fought the way Mayweather does and he beat Arguello convincingly by using the same tactic. Move, confuse, turn, slide and counter and it gave AA fits.

He was never that great at fighting guys like that.

Agree. There are two ways to fight a puncher imo, one is to get inside the power which means staying in tight so they cant get the extension on their punches.......Hatton vs Tszyu, or using lateral movement to reset them so they cant get set to throw.....Tito vs Hopkins,Arguello vs Fernandez.

Im pretty sure Arguello would of stopped Fernandez down the stretch of that fight as he was putting hella pressure on him at the end.

[donkim]

So, up to that point Roger Mayweather 54-10, Angel Hernandez 40-1, Jake Rodriguez 26-2, Hugo Pineda 27-0, Jan Bergman 32-0, Sammy Fuentes 23-10 (went on to win the title just after he got beaten by Tszyu), Pedro Jonson 26-1 (only loss a very close MD to unbeaten Oba Carr), Corey Johnson 20-1, Hector Lopez 26-2 (was exactly the opposite of a guy with no pulse) etc had no pulse against a guy with literally half their amount of fights or a lot less even? Considering he fought most of these guys with only ten fights or more and most were present, future or former champions.

Stop being so bitter and hateful. It's boring and shows a lack of intelligence and thought process. Anyway, I guess nothing will change so you just keep on thinking you're smart and know what you're talking about. It's a bit sad but oh well.....

Consider that virtually every name that you listed was either shot or just **** to begin with.Listing bums like bergman and Pineda because of their undefeated records is simply reaching.


You've bashed Hatton in a similar way many times in the past(which I didn't disagree with) but for some reason,seem annoyed that I would do the same thing to a fighter that you like.



Tszyu was simply never the fighter that the likes of jeff fenech and others to this day made him out to be.

[BennyST]

Consider that virtually every name that you listed was either shot or just **** to begin with.Listing bums like bergman and Pineda because of their undefeated records is simply reaching.


You've bashed Hatton in a similar way many times in the past(which I didn't disagree with) but for some reason,seem annoyed that I would do the same thing to a fighter that you like.



Tszyu was simply never the fighter that the likes of jeff fenech and others to this day made him out to be.

You're comparing Hatton and Tszyu?

[donkim]

There really isn't much of a difference between the two in regards to their resume's.Hatton spent a long time beating bums in Manchester but he's beaten some good fighters since then.


My point was that you could hardly criticise me for bashing Tszyu when you have in the past done a number of times in regards to Fatton.

[JAB5239]

There really isn't much of a difference between the two in regards to their resume's.Hatton spent a long time beating bums in Manchester but he's beaten some good fighters since then.


My point was that you could hardly criticise me for bashing Tszyu when you have in the past done a number of times in regards to Fatton.

As has been pointed out, Tszyu was beating better fighters early in his career. I also think his resume is better overall. Hattons swarming style would probably always prove difficult for Tszyu, but if they were matched prime for prime I think Kostya would have won. His technique and skills were superb.