How does Joe Louis do against these fighters?

[frankenfrank]

Louis was a great boxer as well. He could outpoint you as well as knock you out. If he knew the knockout wasn't coming, he'd simply outpoint you with the jab.

and all of tua's KO victims never heard about the jab.
ruiz and moorer should learn more about it

He didn't always catch you which is why he never held a version of the world title.

a version of the title means **** , he destroyed 3 fighters who held a version of it , one of them was even the linear holder.
two of them he destroyed quickly with ease but the bottom line is "destroyed".

Louis was 6'2 with a 76 inch reach and at his peak weighed 208 pounds.

so ? you brought it to emphasize my claim of how cruiserweight he was ?

A feather-fisted fighter was able to hurt Tua to the body, imagine if it was Joe Louis dealing out those blows:

you exaggerate.

Oquendo and Maskaev weren't great fighters though, yet they were able to outbox Tua in every round. Tua was just not a good boxer at all, he was just a puncher.

that's because of their huge height and reach advantages over him , and still he destroyed both and others with that same advantage.

Norris was pretty good but he was also small. To you size seems to be everything.

not everything but many times it is a critical factor.

McCall weighed as much as 250 pounds. Williamson usually fought at 210 pounds. Size doesn't always matter.

fat is not big. muscular is big.
and yes , mccall was also more muscular than williamson at that time but by a much smaller margin than the 250 to 210.
fat doesn't help you that much.

McCall took Buster Douglas the distance and lost. So what, a lot of people took Buster Douglas the distance, and the really good fighters outside of Tyson beat him. Why would you praise a fighter for losing?

as long as it is by lasting the distance it is much more forgiven than , say , losing by stoppage.

Oliver was a one trick pony because all of his wins were with the counter right hand, usually when he was losing. If he didn't catch you with it, he couldn't win. He was not an all-around boxer by any means, just a tough guy with a good right hand.

i do not say that he is the greatest of all time , just that whatever he was , was more than joe louis , had they fought 3 times you'd see mccall getting the better of the affair.

But Povetkin is not even a big puncher. Byrd is a small guy yet he has been competitive in this era. This works against your argument that the fighters of the past couldn't compete today because they were too small. Numerous fighters who are "too small" compete today. Eddie Chambers is top 5 and he weighs 209 lbs.

you will get the answer when his fight with wlad will end.
if he really is a top5 , it is more of an evidence about the ranking entity and the current weakness at 201+.

Louis was 21 years old when he fought Schmeling, was David Tua in his prime when he was KO'd in one round by Felix Savon?

tua was 19 then and savon was much much taller than him and also with much much more experience.
louis was 21 against a smaller opponent than himself.
and i really do not care if he was 3 lbs heavier , because he still was bigger than schmelling.
21 is not 19 , it is growth time and critical difference.

Schmeling was still a very good fighter by the time of the rematch. He scored an impressive one round KO over Heuser after the loss to Louis.

whose dat heuser ? why should i care ?
schmelling was maybe still good but damaged goods by that time.
this sport is harmful.

[geribeetus]

all 3 get knocked out in less than 10

[StarshipTrooper]

Which win put Vitali over Ali? Was it Hide or Donald? Sanders?

LMAO

He puts them on a scale: The higher they weigh, the higher he ranks them

Poet

[crold1]

Because Tyson was shot when Buster beat him..... of course.

Of course.

[THE REED]

Because Tyson was shot when Buster beat him..... of course.

[crold1]

Wlads above Ali.

I mean the rest is ridiculous.


But Wlad.......... is above........... Ali.

I want to know why Buster Douglas isn't on. He beat Tyson and McCall easy.

[THE REED]

Wlads above Ali.

I mean the rest is ridiculous.


But Wlad.......... is above........... Ali.

[crold1]

Which win put Vitali over Ali? Was it Hide or Donald? Sanders?

LMAO

[TheGreatA]

Tua is in his top 10 HWs?

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. David Tua
5. Mike Tyson
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Oliver McCall
9. Rocky Marciano (should be considerred at 175 , 190 , 200 , not 201+)
10. Chris Byrd
if you take out Marciano , maybe Louis steps in , maybe Foreman , maybe holmes , maybe someone else.

[THE REED]

Don't take the "debate" with frankenfrank too seriously. I know him from another boxing forum and it's my version of entertainment to discuss boxing with him. He never ceases to amaze me with some of the things he says but to his credit atleast he is consistent with it. Tua and McCall are both included among his top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time.

Tua is in his top 10 HWs?