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  • Suckmedry
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    #31
    Originally posted by theghost#1
    Who ?????????????? Also The klits have skill, workrate, toughness too.
    the Klits are skillful fighters, workrate...Wlad not so much, Vitali's is okay.

    As for toughness, Vitali quit on his stool in a fight he had in the bag man, in the bag, no way could he have lost that on the cards if he just kept going for 2 more rounds....

    Wlad has always gotten up when floored but x3 KO losses to relatively average opponents count against him.

    I think a guy like Ali would be way too fast for the Klitschko's, he's just as long as them, not much smaller, and his speed and movement would win him decisions vs both, he could have bits of trouble with Vitali's awkwardness, but overall he wins.

    Against Louis they have a better chance, but with Wlad I can't see Louis not landing on Wlad and busting him up, Louis was a sharp puncher and I think he would knock Wlad out.

    I think Louis would chop Vitali down and stop him on cuts too. Just a sharp puncher who can take the space off them and capitalise.

    Vs Frazier, I think Frazier gives Wlad all sorts of problems, just on him non stop, hitting him big lefts and bobbing under his jab, I think he would stop him

    Vitali-Frazier would be a good fight, they would stand in and mix it and both land some great shots, but Vitali has opted out before due to an injury and there's no way his stamina matches Frazier's. I think it's a tough fight early with some exchanges and maybe even a trip to the canvas for Joe, but he takes over as the fight goes on to win a decision.

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    • Spartacus Sully
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      #32
      Originally posted by theghost#1

      All bums, except for willard who came out of retirenment to fight Dempsey.
      well they all held a heavy weight belt and few of them held the heavy weight belt. if that makes them bums sounds good to me.

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        #33
        Originally posted by theghost#1
        The KO Bros are too big and strong for the past great HW's. Thats like saying Erik Morales could beat Pavlik. Size matters in boxing. Louis, Ali, Frazier, ar simply to small. They might be greater, But they couldn't beat either Klit,
        Actually from what I've seen of Pavlik I'd favor Morales over him TODAY.

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          #34
          I think Vitali would have matched up well with Louis, Frazier, Foreman and Tyson and not so well with Ali and Holmes. Wlad I envision getting starched by Louis, Frazier, Foreman and Tyson while handling Ali and Holmes. Different skill sets, different strengths and weakness.

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            #35
            Originally posted by JAB5239

            Supreme ownage!!! Somebody help me get ***** back in the green. You don't always have to agree with him, but he makes a damn good case more times than not..
            Won't let me hit him with green again until I "spread it around" some more

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              #36
              Originally posted by JAB5239

              Supreme ownage!!! Somebody help me get ***** back in the green. You don't always have to agree with him, but he makes a damn good case more times than not..
              Hey! Just a thought, see if Versatile or PBDS or one of the other huge hitters can give him a big shot.

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              • Obama
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                #37
                I really don't mind being red guys. Thanks anyways tho.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Obama
                  10 Best Heavyweights from the 1940s (On their best day)


                  Joe Louis
                  Jersey Joe Walcott
                  Ezzard Charles
                  Jimmy Bivins
                  Billy Conn
                  Elmer Ray
                  Tami Mauriello
                  Max Baer (1940 was his last good year, but he was far from great at this point)
                  Bob Pastor
                  Gus Lesnevich (LHW Champ who had a pretty damn good 1947 @ HW)

                  [b]Honorable Mention

                  Melio Bettina

                  Lem Franklin

                  Lee Oma

                  Abe Simon (KOed Jersey Joe Walcott)

                  Arturo Godoy (Took Joe Louis to a SD)

                  Turkey Thompson (KOed Elmer Ray)

                  Lee Savold (Top 10 rated for half of the 40s, oddly enough at the beginning and the end)




                  OK, count all the Black dudes up, then count which ones Louis never fought



                  After you do all that, if you still feel the same way, well, quite frankly I don't know what to tell you. It's a matter of intrinsic prejudice on your end.






                  No prejudice on my part,dunce.







                  Originally posted by Counter right
                  Anyone who can keep getting up from Foreman's shots and take a battering from Ali without going down has a decent chin in my book. I can't believe you say Joe cherry picked and avoided fighters, I'm no expert on the rankings at that time but I'm sure you have been shown on here countless times that Joe fought whoever he needed to fight.

                  Down eleven times throughout his career and eight times in just eight rounds(six in two the first time) against the only puncher frazier ever stepped in the ring with.


                  Had frazier not ducked and avoided punchers his entire career and actually proved a chin against a big puncher,then I really wouldn't have a case for questioning frazier's chin(or lack of).


                  frazier fought in what is called the "golden age" of heavyweight boxing.As competitive and talented a division as there ever has been,and yet he relied on the likes of Quarry and Ali to do his work for him.


                  While these men weren't avoiding ranked punchers,frazier was sitting around with his team,cherry picking the right opponents and fighting just twice a year at most.


                  I can offer you a qoute from frazier's old trainer and manager Yank Durham,where he himself admits that his fighter will avoid fighting a certain ranked contender.



                  Originally posted by Counter right
                  And the most ludicrous claim you put forth is that Joe had no heart, he would have kept getting up from George's shots until he was dead if you had let him, and he wanted to go into the 15th in Manila with barely any eyesight and a face looking like a slab of meat. It just confounds me as to why you harbour this agenda, it's just pointless.


                  foreman really wasn't catching frazier that clean on many of his shots.This was the first time that frazier had ever stepped in the ring with a puncher and any time a punch even grazed his cranium....he was going down as his chin couldn't take it.


                  forgive me,but I'm no fool.I'm not going to believe that frazier's trainer would pull his fighter out right before the last round of a world heavyweight title fight.The whole "sit down, son,no one will forget what you did here today" tale is a good one,ut it's not realistic.


                  Vitali Klitschko charged out of his corner and protested the officials stopping his fight.He couldn't believe that they would deny him his oppurtunity and despite the loss,he made alot of fans that day due to the heart and courage that he displayed against a great heavyweight champion and puncher in Lennox Lewis

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                  • Obama
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                    #39
                    Turkey Thompson was far from elite.
                    Last edited by Obama; 01-29-2010, 04:01 PM.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Obama
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                      10 Best Heavyweights from the 1940s (On their best day)
                      1. Joe Louis
                      2. Jersey Joe Walcott
                      3. Ezzard Charles
                      4. Jimmy Bivins
                      5. Billy Conn
                      6. Elmer Ray
                      7. Tami Mauriello
                      8. Max Baer (1940 was his last good year, but he was far from great at this point)
                      9. Bob Pastor
                      10. Gus Lesnevich (LHW Champ who had a pretty damn good 1947 @ HW)


                      Honorable Mention
                      Melio Bettina
                      Lem Franklin
                      Lee Oma
                      Abe Simon (KOed Jersey Joe Walcott)
                      Arturo Godoy (Took Joe Louis to a SD)
                      Turkey Thompson (KOed Elmer Ray)
                      Lee Savold (Top 10 rated for half of the 40s, oddly enough at the beginning and the end)
                      Nice list ***** but you sure you haven't forgotten anyone?
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