The K bros against the old timers

[Obama]

The division is no weaker than when Louis was avoiding every elite black fighter with a pulse to fight his "bum of the month".

10 Best Heavyweights from the 1930s (On their best day)

1. Joe Louis
2. Jack Sharkey
3. Max Schmeling
4. Max Baer
5. Primo Carnera
6. Jim Braddock
7. Tommy Farr
8. Tommy Loughran (#2 LHW in the 20s)
9. Ernie Schaaf
10. Young Stribling

Honorable Mention
Steve ***** (2-2 with Loughran, 1-1 with Schmeling, 35-4-2 record...)
Johnny Risko (Who didn't he beat?)
Paulino Uzcudun (only Jim Braddock and Joe Louis beat a better version of Max Baer)
George Godfrey (most his best wins are in the 20s)
Lou Nova (beat Tommy Farr and Max Baer...but not at their best)
Stanley Poreda (excellent 1932)
Jim Maloney (1930 last good year)
Larry Gains (beat Primo Carnera)


10 Best Heavyweights from the 1940s (On their best day)

1. Joe Louis
2. Jersey Joe Walcott
3. Ezzard Charles
4. Jimmy Bivins
5. Billy Conn
6. Elmer Ray
7. Tami Mauriello
8. Max Baer (1940 was his last good year, but he was far from great at this point)
9. Bob Pastor
10. Gus Lesnevich (LHW Champ who had a pretty damn good 1947 @ HW)

Honorable Mention
Melio Bettina
Lem Franklin
Lee Oma
Abe Simon (KOed Jersey Joe Walcott)
Arturo Godoy (Took Joe Louis to a SD)
Turkey Thompson (KOed Elmer Ray)
Lee Savold (Top 10 rated for half of the 40s, oddly enough at the beginning and the end)

Note: Elite/Semi-Elite Heavyweights end after the first 7 for the '40s list

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OK, count all the Black dudes up, then count which ones Louis never fought, then divide the ones he didn't fight by the total number. Then keep in mind George Godfrey was retired by 1937, and Louis KOed Elmer Ray in an exhibition (or something like that).

After you do all that, if you still feel the same way, well, quite frankly I don't know what to tell you. It's a matter of intrinsic prejudice on your end.

[JAB5239]

10 Best Heavyweights from the 1930s (On their best day)

1. Joe Louis
2. Jack Sharkey
3. Max Schmeling
4. Max Baer
5. Primo Carnera
6. Jim Braddock
7. Tommy Farr
8. Tommy Loughran (#2 LHW in the 20s)
9. Ernie Schaaf
10. Young Stribling

Honorable Mention
Steve ***** (2-2 with Loughran, 1-1 with Schmeling, 35-4-2 record...)
Johnny Risko (Who didn't he beat?)
Paulino Uzcudun (only Jim Braddock and Joe Louis beat a better version of Max Baer)
George Godfrey (most his best wins are in the 20s)
Lou Nova (beat Tommy Farr and Max Baer...but not at their best)
Stanley Poreda (excellent 1932)
Jim Maloney (1930 last good year)


10 Best Heavyweights from the 1940s (On their best day)

1. Joe Louis
2. Jersey Joe Walcott
3. Ezzard Charles
4. Jimmy Bivins
5. Billy Conn
6. Elmer Ray
7. Tami Mauriello
8. Max Baer (1940 was his last good year, but he was far from great at this point)
9. Bob Pastor
10. Gus Lesnevich (LHW Champ who had a pretty damn good 1947 @ HW)

Honorable Mention
Melio Bettina
Lem Franklin
Lee Oma
Abe Simon (KOed Jersey Joe Walcott)
Arturo Godoy (Took Joe Louis to a SD)
Turkey Thompson (KOed Elmer Ray)
Lee Savold (Top 10 rated for half of the 40s, oddly enough at the beginning and the end)

Note: Elite/Semi-Elite Heavyweights end after the first 7 for the '40s list

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OK, count all the Black dudes up, then count which ones Louis never fought, then divide the ones he didn't fight by the total number. Then keep in mind George Godfrey was retired by 1937, and Louis KOed Elmer Ray in an exhibition (or something like that).

After you do all that, if you still feel the same way, well, quite frankly I don't know what to tell you. It's a matter of intrinsic prejudice on your end.

Supreme ownage!!! Somebody help me get ***** back in the green. You don't always have to agree with him, but he makes a damn good case more times than not..

[Suckmedry]

The division is no weaker than when Louis was avoiding every elite black fighter with a pulse to fight his "bum of the month".


Neither Klitschko cherry picks and avoids fighters the way Joe frazier did either.

Anyone who can keep getting up from Foreman's shots and take a battering from Ali without going down has a decent chin in my book. I can't believe you say Joe cherry picked and avoided fighters, I'm no expert on the rankings at that time but I'm sure you have been shown on here countless times that Joe fought whoever he needed to fight.

And the most ludicrous claim you put forth is that Joe had no heart, he would have kept getting up from George's shots until he was dead if you had let him, and he wanted to go into the 15th in Manila with barely any eyesight and a face looking like a slab of meat. It just confounds me as to why you harbour this agenda, it's just pointless.

[JAB5239]

Anyone who can keep getting up from Foreman's shots and take a battering from Ali without going down has a decent chin in my book. I can't believe you say Joe cherry picked and avoided fighters, I'm no expert on the rankings at that time but I'm sure you have been shown on here countless times that Joe fought whoever he needed to fight.

And the most ludicrous claim you put forth is that Joe had no heart, he would have kept getting up from George's shots until he was dead if you had let him, and he wanted to go into the 15th in Manila with barely any eyesight and a face looking like a slab of meat. It just confounds me as to why you harbour this agenda, it's just pointless.

Be careful, she'll try and convince you that Frazier ducked Mac Foster and Ron Lyle even though the timing was not only wrong, but Jerry Quarry beat both of them when they got themselves into contention. Sad excuses indeed.

[theghost#1]

The KO Bros are too big and strong for the past great HW's. Thats like saying Erik Morales could beat Pavlik. Size matters in boxing. Louis, Ali, Frazier, ar simply to small. They might be greater, But they couldn't beat either Klit,

[Spartacus Sully]

Thats like saying Erik Morales could beat Pavlik. Size matters in boxing. Louis, Ali, Frazier, ar simply to small.

or like saying haye could beat valuve or baer could beat carnera or dempsey could beat willard.....oh wait.

[JAB5239]

The KO Bros are too big and strong for the past great HW's. Thats like saying Erik Morales could beat Pavlik. Size matters in boxing. Louis, Ali, Frazier, ar simply to small. They might be greater, But they couldn't beat either Klit,

This is just ignorant. Louis and Ali decimated guys the size of the Klits. Skills, stamina, workrate and toughness trump size all day any day.

[Suckmedry]

The KO Bros are too big and strong for the past great HW's. Thats like saying Erik Morales could beat Pavlik. Size matters in boxing. Louis, Ali, Frazier, ar simply to small. They might be greater, But they couldn't beat either Klit,

That's an incorrect analogy. When you are 126 pounds, fighting a man in the 160's of a similar calibre is a huge, ridiculous disadvantage, it's a huge proportion of your own bodyweight.

But when you are above 200lbs, giving away 40lbs isn't as big a deal, it's a smaller percentage of your weight and doesn't matter as much.

That's why it can be a pretty big deal for a bantamweight or flyweight to give away even 8 or 10lbs to a similar calibre fighter, but no sweat for a 200lber.

[theghost#1]

or like saying haye could beat valuve or baer could beat carnera or dempsey could beat willard.....oh wait.

All bums, except for willard who came out of retirenment to fight Dempsey.

[theghost#1]

This is just ignorant. Louis and Ali decimated guys the size of the Klits. Skills, stamina, workrate and toughness trump size all day any day.

Who ?????????????? Also The klits have skill, workrate, toughness too.