Did Roy Jones handpick his opponents?

[SplitSecond]

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...-jones-legacy/

McClellan and Jackson both had belts when Jones was at mw and he never made any attempt to unify with them

he ducked them by moving up in weight for the arguably #1 p4p fighter in the world?

Toney has said that he had come to terms with that loss and wanted to have a rematch at lhw. A rematch with Toney would of been more meaningful than fights with the Lou de Vales of the world at LHW.

why would he fight toney at lightheavy again, toney beat no one and didn't warrant a rematch, instead he fought the #1 top contender griffin and if he hadn't hit montel while he was down he would've fought virgil when hill was the man to beat at lightheavy

[SplitSecond]

Tarver lost more muscle than Jones, he was 220 lbs for the Rocky film and had to get down to 175 lbs. Jones was around 200 lbs and had to get down to 175 lbs.
220-185=35 lbs
200-185=15 lbs

I use 185 lbs because come fight night thats what they would both rehydrate back up to.

You cant have it both ways, if Toney cant use the weight drained excuse then neither can Jones.

When Jones and Tarver walked into their training camps they should of naturally lost a lot of thier extra muscle by then as well. They had no reason to continue with their hw weightlifting regimes.

jones came down from heavyweight without a conditioning coach, he did it in his own accord, in his own way, he just run alot and stopped lifting
he ****ed up

and what does tarver coming down for the hopkin fight have to do with jones or the discussion at hand?

[General Zod]

by Greg Logan

by jon saraceno

there are more, but it's just pretty much repeating itself

Hopkins I believe, but not Collins that Jones fight would of been his first mega payday. He was willing to face McCallum,Benn*2 and Eubanks*2 but his going to duck Jones. You are going to have to read up on Steve Collins take on what happened as well.

[General Zod]

jones came down from heavyweight without a conditioning coach, he did it in his own accord, in his own way, he just run alot and stopped lifting
he ****ed up

and what does tarver coming down for the hopkin fight have to do with jones or the discussion at hand?

You got a link for that? I find it strange that he would pay Mackie to help him get to hw but not use his help to get him down to lhw.

You keep saying think Hatton when I bring up the Toney being weight drained, so im using the same arguement for a fighter who was in a similar positon to Jones.

[General Zod]

he ducked them by moving up in weight for the arguably #1 p4p fighter in the world?

A win over McClellan and Jackson would of been much more meaningful than wins over the following fighters: Thulani Malinga, Fermin Chirino, Danny Garcia and Thomas Tate. According to McClellan jones was ducking him at mw, he was targeting Jones which was one of the reasons he moved up to smw.

why would he fight toney at lightheavy again, toney beat no one and didn't warrant a rematch, instead he fought the #1 top contender griffin and if he hadn't hit montel while he was down he would've fought virgil when hill was the man to beat at lightheavy

What did Richard Frazier, Vinny Paz, Lou De Vale, Telesco, Thonton etc do to deserve a shot at Jones but not Toney?

[Devils Advocate]

he ducked them by moving up in weight for the arguably #1 p4p fighter in the world?



why would he fight toney at lightheavy again, toney beat no one and didn't warrant a rematch, instead he fought the #1 top contender griffin and if he hadn't hit montel while he was down he would've fought virgil when hill was the man to beat at lightheavy

James Toney's talks to much and his weight troubles made him to risky. We all know that Roy Jones was a talented fighter that scared everybody good away. Before he fought Toney I was pretty sure Toney would be the first to put a boxing clinic on Roy but after that fight I two am guilty of becoming a fan over night. He was just to damn athletic which is why he sucks an average boxer now, damn getting older sucks but whatever if you ain't seen the beatdown on John Ruiz I still laught at that to this day. I would have retired if I were Ruiz b/c that was embarrassing lol

[SplitSecond]

Thats absolute bull****,Collins did everything possible to get a fight with Roy but Roy wanted none of it.
Collins stepped in the ring with Mike Mccallum in only his 17th fight and fought Reggie Johnson not long after yet he ducks Roy when hes in the prime of his life coming off victories over Eubank & Benn?

Roy Jones was a paper champion in every division,all his paper straps dont mean **** when he constantly avoided the best and ran to other weight classes.

i never said collins ducked jones, but he did
i never said jones ducked collins, but he did

but then again that was retired collins asking for more money
i find it hard, probabley impossible to find an article with jones calling out collins let alone responding to him before 1997

[SplitSecond]

You got a link for that? I find it strange that he would pay Mackie to help him get to hw but not use his help to get him down to lhw.

You keep saying think Hatton when I bring up the Toney being weight drained, so im using the same arguement for a fighter who was in a similar positon to Jones.

everyone knows jones didn't have mackie for the drop from heavyweight

here's one of many

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/saraceno/2003-11-06-saraceno_x.htm

For Roy Jones Jr., it's a matter of weight-and-see this weekend. Jones, headed back to light-heavyweight to fight Sunshine state rival Antonio Tarver, had a difficult time melting off more than 25 pounds after upsetting John Ruiz to capture the heavyweight championship. The one missing ingredient in his camp was conditioning expert Mackie Shilstone, who worked the Ruiz fight and was lauded by Jones for his contributions.

A win over McClellan and Jackson would of been much more meaningful than wins over the following fighters: Thulani Malinga, Fermin Chirino, Danny Garcia and Thomas Tate. According to McClellan jones was ducking him at mw, he was targeting Jones which was one of the reasons he moved up to smw.


What did Richard Frazier, Vinny Paz, Lou De Vale, Telesco, Thonton etc do to deserve a shot at Jones but not Toney?

jones moved up to SMW in 1992, mcclellan only moved up in what? 94?
and i dont remember any talk of the two fighting that early
the talks only started when jones beat toney, and gerald was set to fight jones had he gotten passed nigel benn

any article quotes?

and toney was moved up to cruiser the year jones moved up to lightheavy

those guys jones fought doesn't help your argument at all, not like toney was in the division when jones fought them, but if toney managed to even beat a contender like griffin, it would've happened, toney wasn't deserving of a rematch, be real

[Suckmedry]

James Toney hardly had a training camp for the Jones fight,He starved himself to lose 48lbs in 6 weeks...cmon man,No one is saying thats Roys fault but there is no way in hell Toney was anywhere near his best in that fight.
He was in disgraceful condition and deserved to get his ass handed to him.

Toney is the man, but he lost respect that night that took years to earn back, and turned a potentially competitive fight into a whitewash, because he lost the weight too fast, and looked like **** because of it.

[General Zod]

everyone knows jones didn't have mackie for the drop from heavyweight

here's one of many
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colum...saraceno_x.htm

Cool, thanks for that

jones moved up to SMW in 1992, mcclellan only moved up in what? 94?
and i dont remember any talk of the two fighting that early
the talks only started when jones beat toney, and gerald was set to fight jones had he gotten passed nigel benn

any article quotes?

McClellan was a champion of the following organizations at mw:
1991-11-20 1991-11-20 wbo
1993-05-08 1994-05-07 wbc

Jones was a champion of the IBF for the period:
1993-05-22 1994-05-27

They were both champs in the same divison for one year

Im going to have to get back to you on links for the McCLellan/Jones matchup

and toney was moved up to cruiser the year jones moved up to lightheavy

Toney had openly said that he would move back down in a second if Jones wanted a rematch, it is covered in The Dark Trade by Donald McRae, also if you watch the post fight talks after the Toney washington fight he talks about being willing to move back down to fight Jones at lhw.

those guys jones fought doesn't help your argument at all, not like toney was in the division when jones fought them, but if toney managed to even beat a contender like griffin, it would've happened, toney wasn't deserving of a rematch, be real

Jones is willing to fight postman, policeman and sanitation workers but Toney doesnt deserve a fight? Toney talks about how HBO was also interested in a rematch between them in the above book. Toney was robbed in that second Griffin fight as well.