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Originally posted by poet682006 View PostI have Whitaker just edging Hagler.
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No one ever really beat Whitaker in his prime.
Pacquaio beat Barrera which i wont take any credit from him for because its a great win, however Morales beat him clearly when he still had something left in the tank, bare in mind when i say he had something left in the tank he was still a long way past being the Morales who fought Zaragoza or McCullough,Barrera 1,infact prior to the second fight he lost to Zahir Raheem. Lord knows what the Morales from the 1st Barrera fight would of done with Pacquiao.
JMM arguably beat the guy twice. The second JMM fight was in 2008 and its barely 2010 now, so its not like Pacquiao has improved as dramatically as people make out. JMM has been slipping ever since that fight, infact for all we know he might have been slipping when he fought Pac second time, and it was still an extremely close fight, so what does that say?
Pacquiao is being overrated beyond all recognition.
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Originally posted by Dynamite Kid View PostNo one ever really beat Whitaker in his prime.
Pacquaio beat Barrera which i wont take any credit from him for because its a great win, however Morales beat him clearly when he still had something left in the tank, bare in mind when i say he had something left in the tank he was still a long way past being the Morales who fought Zaragoza or McCullough,Barrera 1,infact prior to the second fight he lost to Zahir Raheem. Lord knows what the Morales from the 1st Barrera fight would of done with Pacquiao.
JMM arguably beat the guy twice. The second JMM fight was in 2008 and its barely 2010 now, so its not like Pacquiao has improved as dramatically as people make out. JMM has been slipping ever since that fight, infact for all we know he might have been slipping when he fought Pac second time, and it was still an extremely close fight, so what does that say?
Pacquiao is being overrated beyond all recognition.
If you are going to subliminally discredit the Morales wins, you might want to figure in that Pacquiao wasn't near his peak either. He was a rough brawler who was undersized in that fight and lost a competitive decision.
Regardless...he avenged that loss 2x.
he's so good in fact, that the only way you can discredit him is with fights he still won, only had a tough time with.
Muhammed Ali had close fights and lost fights as well, is he overated beyond recognition?
It's seems as though the only way Pacquiao would win this poll in your mind is if he was undefeated, something nobody on that list has done, and can't do unless they cherry pick (calzaghe).
what the hell has Whitaker done? is he winning this poll because he fights slick? Pacquiaos resume absolutely crushes Whitakers and I'm sure even you know this.
I gotta give it to Pea though, he created the blue print for Pacquiao to beat on De La Hoya.
If you want to argue Hagler, then be my guest, the man was a beast at MW and I consider him the best MW of all time.Last edited by them_apples; 01-04-2010, 03:39 PM.
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Originally posted by them_apples View PostIf you are going to subliminally discredit the Morales wins, you might want to figure in that Pacquiao wasn't near his peak either. He was a rough brawler who was undersized in that fight and lost a competitive decision.
Regardless...he avenged that loss 2x.
he's so good in fact, that the only way you can discredit him is with fights he still won, only had a tough time with.
Muhammed Ali had close fights and lost fights as well, is he overated beyond recognition?
It's seems as though the only way Pacquiao would win this poll in your mind is if he was undefeated, something nobody on that list has done, and can't do unless they cherry pick (calzaghe).
what the hell has Whitaker done? is he winning this poll because he fights slick? Pacquiaos resume absolutely crushes Whitakers and I'm sure even you know this.
I gotta give it to Pea though, he created the blue print for Pacquiao to beat on De La Hoya.
If you want to argue Hagler, then be my guest, the man was a beast at MW and I consider him the best MW of all time.
That's a good example to show how hard it is to rank fighters on an all-time basis. Do we side with the resume or the skill?
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1) Hagler
2) Pacquiao/Whitaker
4) Michael Nunn = i just mention him because of his underrated skills, his career is not the greatest but his talent was unique.
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Originally posted by them_apples View Posthow does Whitaker surpass Hagler? because he's a slick black fighter? lmao
I dont mind other people saying Hagler or Pac. But don't say Whitaker shoundt be called it and isnt worthy when he most certainly is.Last edited by Southpaw16BF; 01-04-2010, 04:34 PM.
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