Boxers who never did weights/pushups?

[them_apples]

well seems he didnt lift weights for hatton atleast.

And as for the way he gets himself into shape, Pacquiao said it's both simple and grueling: "Run in the morning, do about 2,000 sit-ups, then go to the gym around 1, then do another 2,000 sit-ups, and then rest," Pacquiao said, adding, "I don't lift weights at all."

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2009/05/0...000-sit-ups-a/

yea, boxers do other things for strength.

UFC fighters lift weights, and look how terribly their conditioning is. Boxers don't train to lift a heavy amount of weight in a short period of time. they train to throw fast hard punches for long periods of time.

[Spartacus Sully]

Hmm by "lifting" weights he may mean just straight pumping iron. I've definitely head Ariza talking about the various plyometrics and strength training they do.

I think by lifting weights he means that he dosnt do it. in a previous interview before Oscar and Manny they had asked him if going up in weight class changed the way he trained and lifted weights.

Michael David Smith: The question is kind of follows up on the last one you answered. But specifically with regards to your weight does it change your training much? And if so, how that you’re going to be significantly heavier for this fight than you’ve ever been before.

Does that mean - does it change your diet? Does it change things like lifting weights or any other aspect of your training have you changed because you’re moving up in weight class?

Manny Pacquiao: We didn’t change our training. We’re still there and we just apply some exercises for this training to build the muscles. And we have applied some exercise for the fight.

There have been no changes in our training for this training camp but we have applied a lot of techniques and strategies for this fight.

http://www.crapside boxing.com/news.php?p=17987&more=1

he avoids the whole weights part and just says that everything is pretty much the same. i think in the interview before hatton hes trying to make a point that he dosnt lift weights and that its unnecessary if anything.

[RightCross94]

Hmm well maybe Manny isn't doing standard weights. But my point is many fighters today do and are mostly better for it.

[mickey malone]

You are a really good poster but that is a really outdated misconception. Virtually all the top fighters today train with weights, and if you use them properly, which means training for strength instead of training to gain size, there will be no speed losses.

Manny Pacquiao who as we all know is among the fastest fighters in the game today, uses weights.

And to be honest, I think the fact that most fighters today use weights whereas most fighters 50 or 60 years ago didn't might have been the difference in a lot of fantasy matchups between similary skiled fighters. Put two fighters in the ring with similar skill levels and attributes, and give one the benefit of state of the art strength training with weights etc, and leave one with only calisthenics to build strength, it would be the difference. I don't know how many of you have ever fought for real but if you are evenly matched with skills, speed etc and your opponent is just that bit physically stronger, often a rough night.

Thanks.. Yes weights are handy, if employed in the right measure..
I've always used weights to train down rather than pump myself up, ie stretching with dumbells to loosen the shoulders, neck, triceps & biceps.. Shadow boxing with 2.5 kilo wrist straps will also increase power and speed, but I just can't see where big weights come into it.. They create muscle bulk that in turn, suck away the oxygen going into the body..

[Suckmedry]

Thanks.. Yes weights are handy, if employed in the right measure..
I've always used weights to train down rather than pump myself up, ie stretching with dumbells to loosen the shoulders, neck, triceps & biceps.. Shadow boxing with 2.5 kilo wrist straps will also increase power and speed, but I just can't see where big weights come into it.. They create muscle bulk that in turn, suck away the oxygen going into the body..

Doing heavy weights with low reps builds strength, it's not for hypertrophy (muscle gain) Plus to get big muscles, you need to be eating big.

[mickey malone]

Doing heavy weights with low reps builds strength, it's not for hypertrophy (muscle gain) Plus to get big muscles, you need to be eating big.

Understood, but I can't agree that it will improve your performance as a boxer.. Sure, it's essential for certain MMA disciplines ie grappling, but not the finer arts of the stand up game..
ATG's such as Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Nicolino Locche, Jimmy Wilde, Jake LaMotta, Benny Leonard etc, were more interested in movement, timing and plenty of stamina, which is negated by excess power, especially on a smaller frame..
I wouldn't say that history favours those who lifted heavy iron..

[Suckmedry]

Understood, but I can't agree that it will improve your performance as a boxer.. Sure, it's essential for certain MMA disciplines ie grappling, but not the finer arts of the stand up game..
ATG's such as Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Nicolino Locche, Jimmy Wilde, Jake LaMotta, Benny Leonard etc, were more interested in movement, timing and plenty of stamina, which is negated by excess power, especially on a smaller frame..
I wouldn't say that history favours those who lifted heavy iron..

Thst's because no one knew how to use weights properly in that era nor did they use them.

Imagine a guy like Sandy Saddler or LaMotta with 20 or 30% extra strength with proper weight training, the guy would be even more of a beast than he was!

History doesn't favour those who lifted weights...but weights were not used in boxing until 20 odd years ago, like I said, give a guy like LaMotta the benefit of proper boxing specific weight training, the guy would have been even stronger and better at what he did than he was.

Weights should never replace boxing technique, that is the most important, but they can still play a valuable role and give you an advantage if used properly.

[mickey malone]

Thst's because no one knew how to use weights properly in that era nor did they use them.

Imagine a guy like Sandy Saddler or LaMotta with 20 or 30% extra strength with proper weight training, the guy would be even more of a beast than he was!

History doesn't favour those who lifted weights...but weights were not used in boxing until 20 odd years ago, like I said, give a guy like LaMotta the benefit of proper boxing specific weight training, the guy would have been even stronger and better at what he did than he was.

Weights should never replace boxing technique, that is the most important, but they can still play a valuable role and give you an advantage if used properly.

Properly being minimal, then I agree in total..
But i'd still put movement, isometrics, sparring, pads, bagwork, skipping and running way infront, in terms of priority..
A fighters muscles should be long and 'quick twitch' not compact, so if this can be maintained aswell as improved with the use of heavy weights, then fair enough, but i still say that weight training shouldn't be a major part of any boxers training program..

As a point of interest, do you think LaMotta would have got the better of SRR, had he trained with weights properly?

[John Hue]

From my observation of pro fighters in gyms I tend to agree with mickey malone. The fitness levels of pro fighters is unbelievable going into a fight or at least serious fighters not bums. You need to rest after a high weight high intensity workout and the next day you are sore and would not be able to do any proper boxing workout. The only time a boxer would do this kind of training is when they have no intention of fighting for a long time and are building dumb muscle that they will educate later. Having built that dumb muscle they will lose a lot of the gains once they start doing boxing training again. I have seen boxers go heavy very rarely and it seems to be squats and deadlifts which are core training exercises rather than arms although they do tricep work. The tricep drives the extensor action but in a good punch the pivot is the boss with tricep adding and real power comes from the flow of energy from the ground up. Bulky tight arms thwart that flow of energy and tricep strength is only added around the point of impact on loaded punches. Arm punchers use tricep only which is no good. I have seen boxers incorporate some light to moderate weight training in their work outs but rarely hard core and never going into a fight. I have seen boxers doing a lot of neck building exercises,this must be to strengthen up for the inevitable shots they will take. The more I think about this I realise the boxers I have seen go heavy tend to be the shorter bull dog type guys than the moderate to rangy build and they tend to be more fighters than pure boxers.

[Suckmedry]

Properly being minimal, then I agree in total..
But i'd still put movement, isometrics, sparring, pads, bagwork, skipping and running way infront, in terms of priority..
A fighters muscles should be long and 'quick twitch' not compact, so if this can be maintained aswell as improved with the use of heavy weights, then fair enough, but i still say that weight training shouldn't be a major part of any boxers training program..

As a point of interest, do you think LaMotta would have got the better of SRR, had he trained with weights properly?

Well that's a good question. SRR would have always had the length and speed to really give a guy like Jake trouble, but the thing Jake had that troubled Ray was his strength and aggression. I suppose there is a chance that if LaMotta was that bit stronger he would have taken another fight off Ray or least given him that bit more trouble.