C`mon lets here the flak for this

[1SILVA]

my mistake... forgot about Holyfield i took him out of No12 and put Bowe in and forgot to add him at No13

14/. Michael Spinks
15/. Lennox Lewis
16/. Wlad Klitschko
17/. Vitali Klitschko
18/. Jim Jeffries
19/. Floyd Patterson
20/. Gene Tunney

Michael Spinks is in because he was one of the greatest ring tachticians of all times, beating a good Larry Holmes twice and destroying 6ft 7ins Gerry Cooney before losing to the best version of Mike Tyson any fighter ever faced.

Joe Frazier won Fight of the Century`and was a brilliant pressure fighter who`s 3 fights with Ali, 2 with Bonavena & 2 with Quarry entitle him to the position i placed him

Foreman & Holmes are in their correct positions, i could not see them beating any of the above fighters prime 4 prime.. yes Foreman beat Frazier twice but Frazier was blind in one eye by then and totally out of shape for their 1st fight plus Foreman never fought Quarry or Bonavena like Frazier, he also lost easily to Ali whereas Frazier vs Ali was a different story.

Question-do you give any credit to Foreman for his two ko wins over Frazier and Holyfield for his two wins over Tyson? Do those wins mean anything for the fighters who won or do you feel that they were lucky wins? The men who lost these fights lose nothing as far as their career goes?

[sonnyboyx2]

Question-do you give any credit to Foreman for his two ko wins over Frazier and Holyfield for his two wins over Tyson? Do those wins mean anything for the fighters who won or do you feel that they were lucky wins? The men who lost these fights lose nothing as far as their career goes?

yes i give Foreman & Holyfield credit for their 2 wins over Tyson & Frazier.. my list is based on fighters at their peak and sadly both Tyson & Frazier was years past their peak when suffering those defeats

[Lord Finesse]

yes i give Foreman & Holyfield credit for their 2 wins over Tyson & Frazier.. my list is based on fighters at their peak and sadly both Tyson & Frazier was years past their peak when suffering those defeats

Holyfield wasn't in his prime, either, against Tyson. Foreman was in his prime against a semi-prime Frazier but I think it would've always been a bad style match-up for Frazier. Even in Frazier's prime.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lyle, Young, and Norton were washed up when Cooney fought them.




Spinks got two controversial decisions over a past-prime, out-of-shape, and unmotivated Holmes.




Holmes went 21-4 against the usual slew of tomato cans that washed-up name fighters face and won against a Ray Mercer who fought one of the dumbest fights I've ever seen by someone who's SUPPOSED to be a title contender.




Style points are meaningless. It's who you do it against and when you do it against them that counts.




Box-Rec answer. Just because you win a round doesn't mean you didn't stuggle in it. Tyson delivered his worse performance as a prime fighter against Smith. The fact that Smith looked aweful as well and did nothing but act as a "spoiler" doesn't change that.




Strawman. I've never seen anyone in the Boxing History section ever claim Tyson WASN'T shot when he fought Lewis.....quite the contrary.

As for anti-depressents, they don't "sedate" you they bring you up. Mood stablizers "even you out" and anti-anxiety meds such as Prozac "sedate" you. I know, I take all three types of meds and am well aware of their effects.

Poet

yes Lyle, Norton & Young were washed up, but so was Tyson, Holyfield, Morrison, Ruddock & Weaver when they fought Lewis.

nothing controversial about Holmes vs Spinks (1) Spinks out-jabbed Holmes and out-fought Holmes winning a UD
their rematch was closer but Spinks was still the winner.

Holmes went 21-4 yet was still able to be a top ranked fighter earning 4 title shots against Mercer, Tyson, Holyfield & McCall losing on a split-decision to McCall, the same McCall who poleaxed Lewis in less than 2rds.

by style... i mean the manner of Spinks victory over Cooney, flooring Gerry 4 times with huge punches thrown in bunches with terrific speed... Cooney was not `Shot` he pressed the attack from the opening bell but like Holmes could not handle Spinks herky-jerky style.

nothing to do with Boxrec, i have the fight and had Tyson winning every round which is a shut-out, Smith sole intention was to survive.

Spinks matches up too or betters Lewis in almost every asspect of the sport and with only 1ins difference in height i would take Spinks to come out the victor in a match up.

[1SILVA]

yes i give Foreman & Holyfield credit for their 2 wins over Tyson & Frazier.. my list is based on fighters at their peak and sadly both Tyson & Frazier was years past their peak when suffering those defeats

Was Frazier past his peak when he lost the title to Foreman. Wasn't Holyfield past his peak when he defeated Tyson as well. I agree that Tyson was, but wasn't Holyfield as well?

[JAB5239]

i never rated Spinks above Frazier 71, Louis 41, Liston 58, Ali pre 74, Johnson 08, but i would definately take Spinks to beat any version of Lewis

Im going by the post where you gave him a 50/50 chance over any heavyweight champion. We'll have to disagree here. I think Lewis would beat Spinks handily.

[JAB5239]

you are in the minority if you think Lewis beat Holyfield in their 2nd fight (easily)... 42 of 47 ringside sports writers had Holyfield the clear winner as did the vast majority watching on HBO

My bad. I confused it with the first fight. The second was much closer.

Lewis struggled to outpoint Levi Billups yet almost every other fighter Billups fought poleaxed him in less than 3rds.

This is one fight my friend. Fighters are permitted to have off nights in my book. That said.....Lewis still con comfortably.

Mike Tyson was `Heavily Sedated` for the Lewis fight.

Can you produce a medical report, or are you just going by what you've heard and think?

[JAB5239]

There were reports that Tyson was given Xanex before the fight, but that being said, Lewis would have been a difficult fight for Tyson anytime during his career. Tyson ducked Holyfield in 96, having King pay him 4 million dollars as well as vacating the WBC title.

You mean Lewis, correct?

[1SILVA]

You mean Lewis, correct?

Thanks for the correction. I meant to say Lewis, as he received the 4 million and Tyson fought Seldon and Holyfield instead

[sonnyboyx2]

Holyfield wasn't in his prime, either, against Tyson. Foreman was in his prime against a semi-prime Frazier but I think it would've always been a bad style match-up for Frazier. Even in Frazier's prime.

i agree.. Holyfield was not in his prime either, but he had not deteriated as far has Tyson had, Tyson was only a shell of the fighter he was in the 80s he had served several prison sentences and Rooney & Cayton was a decade in the past..

Yes Foreman was a `bad match-up` style wise for Frazier but Frazier`s best days was behind him, he was blind in one eye and wearing contact lenses in the ring.