Roberto Duran fights the greatest fighter he ever fought

[GJC]

no but i think leonard did enough to garner a ud

Probably got that shut out if he had visited the canvas a few more times eh?

[The Noose]

Probably got that shut out if he had visited the canvas a few more times eh?

lol

karma.

[Princemanspopa]

Not this **** again!

Duran is consistently ranked in the top 20 p4p of all time. He is regarded the greatest LW ever. He is a multi weight champion, beating men well beyond his optimum fighting weight class.

Hagler, Leonard, Hearns, Benitez were all great fighters and beat him well after his prime.

They happened to be the greatest fighters that Duran ever stepped in a ring with.He wasn't shot and washed up by the time he moved up from lightweight as his apologists will tell you.He lost to these fighters because they were simply better than him.It's debatable that Duran is the greatest LW of all time also.

Amazingly, as a former Lightweight, he gave possibly the greatest middleweight champion ever, Hagler, a very tough fight, and did much better than the vast majority of fully fledged middleweights that Hagler fought.

Duran never gave Hagler "A very tough fight".This is a myth used by Duran apologists to claim the greatness of their hero.Duran didn't fight to win,he fought to survive.Hagler dominated him when they actually did fight,giving Duran anything more than four rounds is being very generous.A one-eyed Juan Roldan gave Hagler a much tougher fight.

That's a good explanation but it wasn't worth it. That guy is a troll and so is Mr. Internet Tough Guy who started the thread.

Congratulations,you just watched your first Roberto Duran fight.

I lived in Vegas and went to that fight. I also went to many of his training sessions. He looked good in training.
Duran was fighting with a hangover. He went out the night before the fight
and drank to much. That was the word going around in boxing circles.

That was the word that was going around among Duran apologists you mean? Fortunately enough for us,footage exists of this fight and the Duran apologists can't change the fact that he got knocked out cold by a far greater fighter than he was.

Why do you have such a downer on Duran?

Are you being genuine here? Have you read some of the replys in this thread from the Duran apologists? You take all sixteen of his losses and according to Duran and his apologists,he never even lost one.Despite the fact that he shamefully quit during a huge fight,despite the fact that he got absolutely clowned by Kirkland Laing,his apologists still treat him as if he could do no wrong.


If anybody was ever more deserving of the Joppy treatment,then it was Roberto Duran.

[mrboxer]

Probably got that shut out if he had visited the canvas a few more times eh?

now you are using your head,way to go you do have a little bit of boxing in you,good response

[mrboxer]

They happened to be the greatest fighters that Duran ever stepped in a ring with.He wasn't shot and washed up by the time he moved up from lightweight as his apologists will tell you.He lost to these fighters because they were simply better than him.It's debatable that Duran is the greatest LW of all time also.





Duran never gave Hagler "A very tough fight".This is a myth used by Duran apologists to claim the greatness of their hero.Duran didn't fight to win,he fought to survive.Hagler dominated him when they actually did fight,giving Duran anything more than four rounds is being very generous.A one-eyed Juan Roldan gave Hagler a much tougher fight.







Congratulations,you just watched your first Roberto Duran fight.







That was the word that was going around among Duran apologists you mean? Fortunately enough for us,footage exists of this fight and the Duran apologists can't change the fact that he got knocked out cold by a far greater fighter than he was.








Are you being genuine here? Have you read some of the replys in this thread from the Duran apologists? You take all sixteen of his losses and according to Duran and his apologists,he never even lost one.Despite the fact that he shamefully quit during a huge fight,despite the fact that he got absolutely clowned by Kirkland Laing,his apologists still treat him as if he could do no wrong.


If anybody was ever more deserving of the Joppy treatment,then it was Roberto Duran.

ya he did get clowned by kirkland,and he also got owned by a lot of others,the first leonard fight he should of lost i had leonard winning 11 rounds,those judges must of been watching another fight

[GJC]

It's debatable that Duran is the greatest LW of all time also.

Where do you have him?

Duran didn't fight to win,he fought to survive.Hagler dominated him when they actually did fight,giving Duran anything more than four rounds is being very generous.A one-eyed Juan Roldan gave Hagler a much tougher fight.

Duran let Hagler force the fight bit different from surviving. Good tatics as Hagler was better at counter punching and pretty much copied by SRL.
I certainly didn't have Duran ahead after 12 rounds as I believe the judges did but I think credit to a blown up LW being the first challenger to take Hagler the distance is warrented.
You needed to put natural middleweight between eyed and Juan.

That was the word that was going around among Duran apologists you mean? Fortunately enough for us,footage exists of this fight and the Duran apologists can't change the fact that he got knocked out cold by a far greater fighter than he was.

No he was well beat, if he prepared badly more fool him he was beaten by a far greater LMW than him.

Are you being genuine here? Have you read some of the replys in this thread from the Duran apologists? You take all sixteen of his losses and according to Duran and his apologists,he never even lost one.Despite the fact that he shamefully quit during a huge fight,despite the fact that he got absolutely clowned by Kirkland Laing,his apologists still treat him as if he could do no wrong.
If anybody was ever more deserving of the Joppy treatment,then it was Roberto Duran.

Maybe they are over compensating for your bias against him?
Well half his losses were after he was 40 so I would discount them as I would for most fighters other than the odd freak like Archie Moore or BHop.
Absolutely clowned is excessive, he lost to a good fighter who was focassed for once.
So why was Duran "deserving of the Joppy treatment" go on lets hear it, let it out.

[GJC]

ya he did get clowned by kirkland,and he also got owned by a lot of others,the first leonard fight he should of lost i had leonard winning 11 rounds,those judges must of been watching another fight

Poop you have support, enjoy

[TheGreatA]

Hagler-Duran post-fight quotes:

If Hagler learned anything in the Duran fight, it was not to lie back and let the rounds pass by. Pat and Goody Petronelli, Hagler's handlers, learned a lot that night, too. "Who would have thought that Duran could outbox a Marvin Hagler?" Pat Petronelli asks. "We told Marvin, 'Lay back and counter-punch.' He's going to come at you. Duran took us to school."

"People think I'm going to go crazy in there, like against Leonard," Duran said before the fight. "But, no."

"I knew that Hagler was waiting for me to get inside to fight with him," Duran said afterward, "so he could get his punches in with force."

"I fought him at half-distance," Duran said. "I was waiting for him to unload so I could score on him. Whichever hand he unloaded, I was ready to counter. He didn't confuse me with anything. I was beating him without mixing it up too much."

Petronelli's foreboding deepened. "Duran waited and waited and waited for Marvin to lead," he said. "We had to change our tactics and go on the offensive, which isn't really Marvin's style." So at the end of the third, Petronelli told Hagler, "This ain't going too well. Put the pressure on him."

"He'd slip and counter, slide back and wait for me," Hagler said. "When you're trying for a knockout, it's the hardest thing to get. That's what I was after, but you have to let them come. He wasn't there. Duran is too crafty to go after for a knockout. You leave yourself open, and he takes advantage of it."

"I turned my head to be careful of his right because it's his most dangerous hand. His left is dead. The hand he most relied on was his right," Duran said.

"I wasn't getting my jab off the way I generally do," said Hagler, who was more effective when he switched from a lefty to a righty stance, which brought him two feet closer to Duran. "It seemed everybody was disappointed that I didn't knock him out. I felt that way myself. But he wasn't that vulnerable to a knockout. It was hard to hit him with a solid punch. I didn't catch him with a solid shot."

"I was a little scared because he was coming in straight up," Duran said. "I could reach him with any right, but actually I was scared to throw the right hand."

"He came to tear my head off," says Duran, "but when he saw that I could hit him hard, with strength, he got scared and became a coward. That's why he didn't take too many chances and mix it up with me. Everyone was saying he was a destroyer, but when he hit me, he didn't do anything to me. His punches absolutely did me no damage. He got scared every time he threw a jab because I could get my right in under it. That's why he held off so much."

"I'm not a fool either," Hagler would say, "going in to get hit. You don't barrel in there on a guy like Roberto Duran. Why take unnecessary punishment unless you have to? I'd been effective and was winning the fight, so it isn't like I had to go in there and take the punishment to bomb him out."

"The better man won," Duran said, after two judges had given Hagler the victory by one point, the other by two.

[Princemanspopa]

Duran let Hagler force the fight bit different from surviving. Good tatics as Hagler was better at counter punching and pretty much copied by SRL.
I certainly didn't have Duran ahead after 12 rounds as I believe the judges did but I think credit to a blown up LW being the first challenger to take Hagler the distance is warrented.

Ray Leonard pretty much used the same tactics that Marcos Geraldo used,only on a more consistent basis.Duran never really put himself in a position to engage Hagler as he was afraid of doing so.

Maybe they are over compensating for your bias against him?
Well half his losses were after he was 40 so I would discount them as I would for most fighters other than the odd freak like Archie Moore or BHop.
Absolutely clowned is excessive, he lost to a good fighter who was focassed for once.
So why was Duran "deserving of the Joppy treatment" go on lets hear it, let it out.

My or anybody else's supposed bias against Duran is born out of frustration with his apologists.There are very few boxing fans who hold the same opinion of Duran that I do,he doesn't have fans,he has apologists.They like Duran himself,has two excuses for every loss that he ever suffered.Kirkland Laing won a very clear decision over Duran despite one judge scoring the fight for Duran.


Duran lost Leonard at age 29,he lost to Benitez at age 30,he lost to Laing at age 31,he lost to Hagler at age 32 and he was destroyed by Thomas Hearns just a day before his 33rd birthday.

[GJC]

Tommy Loughran lost to Primo Carnera when he was 32 doesn't mean he wasn't a great light heavy or a great fighter.
You avoided the question, as a fair minded boxing fan i'll ask you again where do you rate Duran at Lightweight?