Poll: The '13th' Round ?

[GJC]

Combing the internet with no luck for an article I read a couple of years ago (I think in the wake of Lewis-Holyfield I) that, hard to believe as it may sound, statistically speaking there hasn't been an increase in average number of draws in boxing since the inception of 12 round championship fight compared to any other given period of 15 round fights. In fact, there has been a slight decline.

That is an interesting point and sort of confirms what I think that having an odd number of rounds wouldn't necessary lead to a result.

[Obama]

Combing the internet with no luck for an article I read a couple of years ago (I think in the wake of Lewis-Holyfield I) that, hard to believe as it may sound, statistically speaking there hasn't been an increase in average number of draws in boxing since the inception of 12 round championship fight compared to any other given period of 15 round fights. In fact, there has been a slight decline.

That is an interesting point and sort of confirms what I think that having an odd number of rounds wouldn't necessary lead to a result.

Be weary of misleading statistics. It's only relevant to compare draws in 15 round fights to draws in 12 round fights. All other fights should be ignored altogether.

[blacklodge]

Be weary of misleading statistics. It's only relevant to compare draws in 15 round fights to draws in 12 round fights. All other fights should be ignored altogether.

That's what this guy was selling, taking draws in 12 round fights from the mid-80s to 2000 or whatever, and applying it to draws in any 15-20 year period of 15 round fights. I'm weary as well, but with rounds being scored even (which I try to avoid at all costs, and they should too, but don't), point deductions, fighter wins a round but has a point deducted, knockdowns, rounds scored even despite knockdowns, multiple knockdowns resulting in 10-7 rounds, I can see how it could all even out. Literally.

[El Jesus]

Someone already brought up the point that fighters, while waiting for the scores to be tallied are already in a "cooldown" mode and their muscles/bodies are not in the peak condition to go that extra round, they arent really warm anymore and youre reflexes kind of hit a wall. I think the idea of it is great, but only if they actually hurry to tally up the scores or you have someone there that is tallying them and adding them as we speak. Regardless, you have fights that shouldnt be a draw at all, someone gets robbed into a draw, you fight one more round, and if the fighter who ACTUALLY subjectively won is tired, and loses that last round, then its just ****ing ******.

[BennyST]

Someone already brought up the point that fighters, while waiting for the scores to be tallied are already in a "cooldown" mode and their muscles/bodies are not in the peak condition to go that extra round, they arent really warm anymore and youre reflexes kind of hit a wall. I think the idea of it is great, but only if they actually hurry to tally up the scores or you have someone there that is tallying them and adding them as we speak. Regardless, you have fights that shouldnt be a draw at all, someone gets robbed into a draw, you fight one more round, and if the fighter who ACTUALLY subjectively won is tired, and loses that last round, then its just ****ing ******.

Yeah, that's especially dangerous. It might be ok after a three round fight, but a 12 round fight where the fighters are truly drained and their bodies completely spent, and then having to come out for another round could be truly disastrous.

By that time your body can be at the point where your legs just won't wake back up, your arms won't lift to throw again, your brain stops functioning.

If you come out and get sparked in that state, it could be bad dreams for a long time after.

Blacklodge: Go watch again. He was very close to being stopped. For Nelson to be that close to being stopped means he was ****ed up and he was out on his feet and wobbling all over the place. The only reason he stayed up was probably because Fenech shouldered him back into the ropes to beat on him more. One more round and it would have been over and the majority of folks gave Nelson three or four rounds. You could have given him only two, but any more than four is getting kind of ....

[1SILVA]

Yeah, that's especially dangerous. It might be ok after a three round fight, but a 12 round fight where the fighters are truly drained and their bodies completely spent, and then having to come out for another round could be truly disastrous.

By that time your body can be at the point where your legs just won't wake back up, your arms won't lift to throw again, your brain stops functioning.

If you come out and get sparked in that state, it could be bad dreams for a long time after.

Blacklodge: Go watch again. He was very close to being stopped. For Nelson to be that close to being stopped means he was ****ed up and he was out on his feet and wobbling all over the place. The only reason he stayed up was probably because Fenech shouldered him back into the ropes to beat on him more. One more round and it would have been over and the majority of folks gave Nelson three or four rounds. You could have given him only two, but any more than four is getting kind of ....

That was a horrendous decision and it cost Fenech gaining a fourth world title.

[mickey malone]

That was a horrendous decision and it cost Fenech gaining a fourth world title.

TBH, it's one of the worst DC's I've ever seen..
Fenech was brutally robbed, and I put money on him winning the return (whoops!)

[mickey malone]

Someone already brought up the point that fighters, while waiting for the scores to be tallied are already in a "cooldown" mode and their muscles/bodies are not in the peak condition to go that extra round, they arent really warm anymore and youre reflexes kind of hit a wall. I think the idea of it is great, but only if they actually hurry to tally up the scores or you have someone there that is tallying them and adding them as we speak. Regardless, you have fights that shouldnt be a draw at all, someone gets robbed into a draw, you fight one more round, and if the fighter who ACTUALLY subjectively won is tired, and loses that last round, then its just ****ing ******.

Hence the reason, I eventually voted against my own idea..
This indeed, is a very valid point.. Careers would be cut short, as the health risks are imminent..
I'm now starting to think along the lines, that the scoring should come up on a big board at the end of every round (much like a cricket match)
It could then be the sole responsibility of an assistent trainer, to keep the fighter informed..

[blacklodge]

Blacklodge: Go watch again. He was very close to being stopped. For Nelson to be that close to being stopped means he was ****ed up and he was out on his feet and wobbling all over the place. The only reason he stayed up was probably because Fenech shouldered him back into the ropes to beat on him more. One more round and it would have been over and the majority of folks gave Nelson three or four rounds. You could have given him only two, but any more than four is getting kind of ....

I shall. Maybe I got up to get a beverage during the 12th, or maybe the rematch erased the memory. Or maybe I'm a bias Nelson fan. Or just plain wrong. I freely admit all are possible.

[GJC]

Hence the reason, I eventually voted against my own idea..
This indeed, is a very valid point.. Careers would be cut short, as the health risks are imminent..
I'm now starting to think along the lines, that the scoring should come up on a big board at the end of every round (much like a cricket match)
It could then be the sole responsibility of an assistent trainer, to keep the fighter informed..

The big scoreboard idea would at least make the scoring more transparant and might give a kick up the arse to a fighter who is cruising to an apparent victory.

Has anyone considered a game of scrabble as a tie breaker?