Leonard vs McCallum at 154

[#1Assassin]

True Ray had issues with Hearns. That was it. Hearns is not McCallum. Just because they have sparring sessions that mcCallum did well in means nothing about Ray. The issue with hearns that Leoanrds camp stated Befroe the 1st fight, is not so much hearns outboxing him, which is totally plausible as hearns was 6'2 78 inch reac and quick hands great jab. It is that with HEARNS you can not be caught on the end of his right hand, you do not have the problem with McCallum. Thus everything changes. With hearns, leonard did had to move out of reach, thus keeping him out of hearns right hand, but also since he had shorter reach, he was out side of his reach too. You notice that in the 1st fight, when ray chose to engage, he got the best of hearns, rounds 3, 6.7.8,13, 14. Rounds in which he was on the outside either trying to stalk or chase hearns (later rounds) or simply avoiding get hit with a big right (early rounds) and as they plan was to zap some of his legs. Ray's plan worked, What many many people do not know, is that in the sports illustrated labled the show down. Dundee almost to the round spelled out exactly how the fight would go. Go research for yourselves, I have the edition. 9/10/81 version of sports illustrated labled the showdown.... they verdict was leoanrd to win by 14th round stoppage. Seriously go get it. They said most people think Ray would outbox hearns, but most did not know hearns was a master boxer with out ko power in the amateurs, so he was perfectly capable of boxing.

McCallum while he is a very good boxer, very intelligent, great body puncher, simply would get embarrased. Prime Ray, boxing wise was a beast. He was a supreme boxer puncher. McCallum could not hurt Ray, and you know what happened when Ray does not feel you can hurt him...mayweather sr, kalule, Geraldo,,,These are all fighters that simply could not hurt him, and they were either good fighters, with speed or bigger. Ray simply overwhelmed them, and stopped 2 of them, and the 3rd clealry won the decsion. ]

Ray's speed jaw, style, etc would have been to much for him..

thing is mccallum doesnt get tired, and although he wouldnt hurt ray with one punch he certainly would put some sort of dent in him everytime he touched him. mccallum wasnt a explosive puncher like hearns but he was heavyhanded. and a noticably bigger man than ray. comparing him to kalule, floyd sr and geraldo is just ignorant. kalule was a pretty good fighter but not on mccallums level. nobody in the history of boxing embarasses prime mccallum eighter.

[Silencers]

I think Leonard's boxing skills and speed would've won him this fight and he had the chin to take McCallum's best shots, I think he'd do what Curry did to McCallum for 4 rounds except he would do it for the whole distance, McCallum would definitely have his moments though.

[Dynamite Kid]

Kalambay outboxed a prime mccallum first time round, a past prime donald curry was outboxing him until geting caught, herol graham went to the wire with mccallum a fight that could of gone either way, james toney outboxed a just past his best mccallum, so a prime learnad beats mike he has to many tools for mccallum and is the over all better fighter. Also i have always heard that the sparring between mike and tommy was more or less 50/50, manny steward said some of the best sparring he has ever seen. A prime ray Learnard was a different type of animal

Kalambay is slicker than Ray Leonard though.

Ray was outboxed by Hearns, when all said and done both of them won those fights.

Toney did not beat McCallum either time as far as im concerned, infact if! Toney had not had a big finish in the first he surely would of lost, he was lucky to get a draw imo.

The second fight with Toney was more in McCallum's favour than the first fight was.

[Dynamite Kid]

thing is mccallum doesnt get tired, and although he wouldnt hurt ray with one punch he certainly would put some sort of dent in him everytime he touched him. mccallum wasnt a explosive puncher like hearns but he was heavyhanded. and a noticably bigger man than ray. comparing him to kalule, floyd sr and geraldo is just ignorant. kalule was a pretty good fighter but not on mccallums level. nobody in the history of boxing embarasses prime mccallum eighter.

Irony is, McCallum beat Kalule worse than Ray did, he also beat Minchillo worse than Duran & Hearns.

[nachorjj]

I go with Ray by UD

[Benncollinsaad]

I doubt SRL could take Mike's punches much better than the rest of his victims, especially bodypunches. I know he would be quite elusive, but not elusive enough for THE BODYSNATCHER!

[Princemanspopa]

I doubt SRL could take Mike's punches much better than the rest of his victims, especially bodypunches. I know he would be quite elusive, but not elusive enough for THE BODYSNATCHER!

I doubt you've ever seen either fight.Stop using smilies in every one of your posts aswell,it makes you look like a clueless ****.....oh wait.

[Joey Giardello]

thing is mccallum doesnt get tired, and although he wouldnt hurt ray with one punch he certainly would put some sort of dent in him everytime he touched him. mccallum wasnt a explosive puncher like hearns but he was heavyhanded. and a noticably bigger man than ray. comparing him to kalule, floyd sr and geraldo is just ignorant. kalule was a pretty good fighter but not on mccallums level. nobody in the history of boxing embarasses prime mccallum eighter.

Mike was good, but lets get one thing straight was not good enough to beat ray learnard one of the greatest fighters that ever lived! for me mccallum would not of beat duran or hagler, him and tommy i cant pick. Your really over rateing mccallum, yes he was great but not in rays league, you would not see a prime learnard geting beat by kalambay or going to the wire with graham, in a fight alot people thought graham won. A semi retired ray beat hagler, a just past his best mccallum could not beat toney. there on different levels

[Benncollinsaad]

Mike was good, but lets get one thing straight was not good enough to beat ray learnard one of the greatest fighters that ever lived! for me mccallum would not of beat duran or hagler, him and tommy i cant pick. Your really over rateing mccallum, yes he was great but not in rays league, you would not see a prime learnard geting beat by kalambay or going to the wire with graham, in a fight alot people thought graham won. A semi retired ray beat hagler, a just past his best mccallum could not beat toney. there on different levels

We can never know, can we? None of those guys would fight McCallum. So you can ask yourself why they didn't? Its because he WAS phenomenal.

[Dynamite Kid]

Mike was good, but lets get one thing straight was not good enough to beat ray learnard one of the greatest fighters that ever lived! for me mccallum would not of beat duran or hagler, him and tommy i cant pick. Your really over rateing mccallum, yes he was great but not in rays league, you would not see a prime learnard geting beat by kalambay or going to the wire with graham, in a fight alot people thought graham won. A semi retired ray beat hagler, a just past his best mccallum could not beat toney. there on different levels

McCallum would of beaten Duran comfortably, bigger, stronger, better chin, reach advantage, harder hitter and just as good inside. Duran was not a very good LMW, he lost to Laing, Benitez and looked average against Michillo, Nino Gonzalez and he also got KTFO by Hearns. McCallum stopped Minchillo something neither Hearns or Duran could do, he also stopped Kalule quicker than Leonard.

Kalambay was a very!! good fighter, infact more underrated than McCallum himself, he knocked out the durable Doug De Witt, something Hearns could not do, infact he gave Hearns a tough fight, Kalambay dispatched him with ease! Kalambay also schooled Iran Barkley, he beat McCallum & had a very close rematch with him that could of gone either way, he beat Robbie Sims who beat Duran, he beat Herol Graham twice, he beat Steve Collins who beat Eubank & Benn.

Im not saying McCallum would beat Leonard because i dont think he would, but you are seriously underrating him, there is overrating someone, which im dead set against, then there is not giving someone their props, that is what you are doing.

McCallum vs Hearns would of been interesting, but i still see Hearns getting KTFO, however i can understand why someone would think Hearns could beat him, but not Duran, not at 154 anyway.


Toney did not beat McCallum imo.