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Just finished Pacquiao-Marquez II

1. Pacquiao, 10-9
Very tactical round. Marquez landed a very nice straight right hand, but Pacquiao landed more straight lefts, which was good enough for me.

2. Marquez, 10-9
Close round. Pacquiao lands hard left hands, but Marquez is patient. Marquez lands nice straight right hands and left hooks. Pacquiao looks stunned at the end of the round, but IMO, he was just lunging in and caught off balance. I don't think he was really wobbled, he was trying to plant his feet after being airborne.

3. Pacquiao, 10-8
Marquez gets dropped. There wasn't much in it leading up to the knock down. Pacquiao lands his trademark left and Marquez counter punching with his right. Marquez gets caught with a counter left and is dropped. Marquez is hurt during an ensuing exchange, and his legs buckle along the ropes.

4. Pacquiao, 10-9
Pacquiao lands the hard straight left to the head, and a few to the gut. Also, sneaks in a few good right hooks. Marquez lands a nice left hook, but he seems tentative and uncomfortable as he gets puched back. I think Marquez is having trouble reading Pacquiao's upper body movement and feints.

5. Marquez, 10-9
Not much, tactical round. Pacquiao lands jabs, straight lefts, and right hooks. However, Marquez is landing hard left hooks to the head and body and countering well.

6. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez controls the tempo and ring with his accurate and effective right hand counters. Pacquiao throws a few combinations, but does very little this round.

7. Pacquiao, 10-9
Close for the first two minutes, with both men landing shots. Things heat up after an accidental headbutt. There's more exchanges and Pacquiao takes the round by landing hard straight lefts.

8. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez takes advantage of a bad Pacquiao cut and becomes more aggressive. The cut was worsened by a Marquez right hand at the start. Works the left hook to the body, straight right, and jab. Lands a really nice one-two at the end.

9. Pacquiao, 10-9
Marquez lands the left hook to the body and a few right hands. However, Pacquiao's left hands and sneaky rights are harder, which wins him the round.

10. Pacquiao, 10-9
Marquez's cut really opens up. Pacquiao lands a tremendous left to open the round, and lands many more over the course of the three minutes.

11. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez is more consistent with his output, and lands more.

12. Marquez, 10-9
Pacquiao lands some punches, but he is outworked and outlanded by Marquez.

6-6, 114-113 Pacquiao, due to the KD.

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Just finished Pacquiao-Marquez II

1. Pacquiao, 10-9
Very tactical round. Marquez landed a very nice straight right hand, but Pacquiao landed more straight lefts, which was good enough for me.

2. Marquez, 10-9
Close round. Pacquiao lands hard left hands, but Marquez is patient. Marquez lands nice straight right hands and left hooks. Pacquiao looks stunned at the end of the round, but IMO, he was just lunging in and caught off balance. I don't think he was really wobbled, he was trying to plant his feet after being airborne.

3. Pacquiao, 10-8
Marquez gets dropped. There wasn't much in it leading up to the knock down. Pacquiao lands his trademark left and Marquez counter punching with his right. Marquez gets caught with a counter left and is dropped. Marquez is hurt during an ensuing exchange, and his legs buckle along the ropes.

4. Pacquiao, 10-9
Pacquiao lands the hard straight left to the head, and a few to the gut. Also, sneaks in a few good right hooks. Marquez lands a nice left hook, but he seems tentative and uncomfortable as he gets puched back. I think Marquez is having trouble reading Pacquiao's upper body movement and feints.

5. Marquez, 10-9
Not much, tactical round. Pacquiao lands jabs, straight lefts, and right hooks. However, Marquez is landing hard left hooks to thehead and body and countering well.

6. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez controls the tempo and ring with his accurate and effective right hand counters. Pacquiao throws a few combinations, but does very little this round.

7. Pacquiao, 10-9
Close for the first two minutes, with both men landing shots. Things heat up after an accidental headbutt. There's more exchanges and Pacquiao takes the round by landing hard straight lefts.

8. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez takes advantage of a bad Pacquiao cut and becomes more aggressive. The cut was worsened by a Marquez right hand at the start. Works the left hook to the body, straight right, and jab. Lands a really nice one-two at the end.

9. Pacquiao, 10-9
Marquez lands the left hook to the body and a few right hands. However, Pacquiao's left hands and sneaky rights are harder, which wins him the round.

10. Pacquiao, 10-9
Marquez's cut really opens up. Pacquiao lands a tremendous left to open the round, and lands many more over the course of the three minutes.

11. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez is more consistent with his output, and lands more.

12. Marquez, 10-9
Pacquiao lands some punches, but he is outworked and outlanded by Marquez.

6-6, 114-113 Pacquiao, due to the KD.

Good scoring.

I'm the only one who felt Marquez won the first round. It was pretty close to me and I could've went with Pacquiao. But I still felt Marquez edged it out.

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Good scoring.

I'm the only one who felt Marquez won the first round. It was pretty close to me and I could've went with Pacquiao. But I still felt Marquez edged it out.

I felt it was very close fight, and can see either guy getting the nod; you can make a case for either winning seven rounds IMO, and definitely six for Pacquiao. It's kind of funny to me that people call this a robbery really.

I know the numbers show that Marquez outlanded Pacquiao, but I don't put a lot of trust into Compubox when scoring a close fight. The idea of Compubox is a bit flawed IMO, but that's a discussion for another day, lol.

This was also the first time I've watched this fight since right before Pacquiao's fight with Diaz. I must say the growth of Pacquiao is much clearer after rewatching this fight. His right hand is just that much better, his upper body movement and rhythm is better, he turns his fighters more often, and his balance has improved a lot. Will that be enough to beat Mayweather? Again, another discussion for a different day.

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I felt it was very close fight, and can see either guy getting the nod; you can make a case for either winning seven rounds IMO, and definitely six for Pacquiao. It's kind of funny to me that people call this a robbery really.

I know the numbers show that Marquez outlanded Pacquiao, but I don't put a lot of trust into Compubox when scoring a close fight. The idea of Compubox is a bit flawed IMO, but that's a discussion for another day, lol.

This was also the first time I've watched this fight since right before Pacquiao's fight with Diaz. I must say the growth of Pacquiao is much clearer after rewatching this fight. His right hand is just that much better, his upper body movement and rhythm is better, he turns his fighters more often, and his balance has improved a lot. Will that be enough to beat Mayweather? Again, another discussion for a different day.

It was definitely close. I remember scoring it for Pacquiao, the last time I watched it. Amazing how I saw things differently, this time.

I think I know what you're going at, about the compubox thing being corrupt.

Before re-watching this fight I saw his first fight with Marquez. He really became a better boxer from when the first fight happened to the second. The amazing thing about him is that he keeps on getting better.

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It was definitely close. I remember scoring it for Pacquiao, the last time I watched it. Amazing how I saw things differently, this time.

I think I know what you're going at, about the compubox thing being corrupt.

Before re-watching this fight I saw his first fight with Marquez. He really became a better boxer from when the first fight happened to the second. The amazing thing about him is that he keeps on getting better.

Yeah, his growth has been really fun to watch. Some people nit pick about certain aspects of his style, fights, etc. but no one can deny that he'll give you your $50 worth. People should really appreciate him because he and Floyd are the two best fighters of their generation.

Yeah, compubox. It's a good punch tracker, but that's about it; that's why in close fights I don't really pay attention to it. It doesn't tell you about the effectiveness/damage of a punch, the power of a punch, etc.

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I felt it was very close fight, and can see either guy getting the nod; you can make a case for either winning seven rounds IMO, and definitely six for Pacquiao. It's kind of funny to me that people call this a robbery really.

I know the numbers show that Marquez outlanded Pacquiao, but I don't put a lot of trust into Compubox when scoring a close fight. The idea of Compubox is a bit flawed IMO, but that's a discussion for another day, lol.

This was also the first time I've watched this fight since right before Pacquiao's fight with Diaz. I must say the growth of Pacquiao is much clearer after rewatching this fight. His right hand is just that much better, his upper body movement and rhythm is better, he turns his fighters more often, and his balance has improved a lot. Will that be enough to beat Mayweather? Again, another discussion for a different day.

Agree there. On occasion there are rounds where you perceive one guy to be the busier fighter but the compubox numbers refute that sometimes. I lost all faith in compubox after the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight.

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Agree there. On occasion there are rounds where you perceive one guy to be the busier fighter but the compubox numbers refute that sometimes. I lost all faith in compubox after the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight.

Hopkins-Calzaghe has been locked away in the "Do not watch again" vault.

Like I said in another post, Compubox just counts punches, it never measure the effective of a punch, the damage caused by a pounch, the power of a punch, etc.

Hypothetically, if I'm watching Juan Diaz-Devon Alexander, and Diaz throws 75 punches, lands 20 but Alexander throws 40, lands 12 and cuts or marks up Diaz, I'm giving it to Alexander.

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Hopkins-Calzaghe has been locked away in the "Do not watch again" vault.

Like I said in another post, Compubox just counts punches, it never measure the effective of a punch, the damage caused by a pounch, the power of a punch, etc.

Hypothetically, if I'm watching Juan Diaz-Devon Alexander, and Diaz throws 75 punches, lands 20 but Alexander throws 40, lands 12 and cuts or marks up Diaz, I'm giving it to Alexander.

Yeah i hear ya there, it fits nicely alongside Valuev vs Holyfield/Haye.


Yep, its like how Pacquiao was painting Marquez's face with hard left hands in some of those rounds.

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Yeah i hear ya there, it fits nicely alongside Valuev vs Holyfield/Haye.


Yep, its like how Pacquiao was painting Marquez's face with hard left hands in some of those rounds.

Yeah pretty much. I notice some point to Compubox in order to justify this fight as a robbery, but when you look at the stats, Marquez landed 15 more punches, or little more than one a round.

I think Bradley-Peterson is going to be like that. It's going to be Bradley's activity vs. Peterson's 'harder' punches.

I'm starting to like Peterson in that one, btw.