Pick a fight we can all watch tonight.

[Sammy2g3]

Since the ww's have been so popular, lets watch:

Pac vs Marquez II
Floyd vs Castillo I
Cotto vs Clottey

All controversial fights.

[Shadows]

Just finished

1. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez wins the round by landing numerous jabs, left hooks, and good body work.

2. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez controls the round with his jab and nice hooks to the body. Vazquez does get in a nice left hook and right uppercut that backs up Marquez.

3. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez does well with his jab, which Vazquez is trying to counter with a right hand over the top. Vazquez has a better round, but Marquez takes it on his jab and body work.

4. Marquez, 10-8
Vazquez gets knocked down. Marquez stuns Vazquez and knocks him down with a right hand at the end of a combination. However, Vazquez manages to wobble Marquez with two right hands over Marquez's low left. I still made it 10-8 because other than being wobbled, Marquez controlled the round.

5. Vazquez, 10-9
Vazquez is slipping more jabs and landing his own jab, getting himself on the inside. Vazquez lands a nice left hook and nice right hands ( a nice one near the bell in particular). Marquez is showing Vazquez a lot of movement, but Izzy is cutting him off.

6. Vazquez, 10-9
Swing round. Marquez starts off well, landing his jab. However, Vazquez gains momentum as the round progresses and lands several hard right hands.

7. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez lands some nice combinations down the stretch, but Vazquez won the majority of the round, slipping punches and getting to work on the inside.

8. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez fights well in spurts, and isn't jabbing as much. Vazquez takes it with his pressure and the hard right hands he lands towards the end.

9. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez looks tired. He lands some nice shots at the end, but Vazquez pretty much out works and out lands him.

10. Even, 9-9
Point deduction. Vazquez comes forwards and pressures, but Marquez lands the harder punches with several combinations. Good enough to make it an even round.

11. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez starts and ends well, but Vazquez wins everything in between. He pressure and out works Marquez and lands some nice right hands.

12. Vazquez, 10-8
Marquez gets knocked down. All three minutes won by Vazquez. Hits marquez often with hard shots. I've watched this fight numerous times and still can't believe that Marquez wasn't stopped.

114-111 Vazquez

[Dynamite Kid]

Just finished

1. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez wins the round by landing numerous jabs, left hooks, and good body work.

2. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez controls the round with his jab and nice hooks to the body. Vazquez does get in a nice left hook and right uppercut that backs up Marquez.

3. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez does well with his jab, which Vazquez is trying to counter with a right hand over the top. Vazquez has a better round, but Marquez takes it on his jab and body work.

4. Marquez, 10-8
Vazquez gets knocked down. Marquez stuns Vazquez and knocks him down with a right hand at the end of a combination. However, Vazquez manages to wobble Marquez with two right hands over Marquez's low left. I still made it 10-8 because other than being wobbled, Marquez controlled the round.

5. Vazquez, 10-9
Vazquez is slipping more jabs and landing his own jab, getting himself on the inside. Vazquez lands a nice left hook and nice right hands ( a nice one near the bell in particular). Marquez is showing Vazquez a lot of movement, but Izzy is cutting him off.

6. Vazquez, 10-9
Swing round. Marquez starts off well, landing his jab. However, Vazquez gains momentum as the round progresses and lands several hard right hands.

7. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez lands some nice combinations down the stretch, but Vazquez won the majority of the round, slipping punches and getting to work on the inside.

8. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez fights well in spurts, and isn't jabbing as much. Vazquez takes it with his pressure and the hard right hands he lands towards the end.

9. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez looks tired. He lands some nice shots at the end, but Vazquez pretty much out works and out lands him.

10. Even, 9-9
Point deduction. Vazquez comes forwards and pressures, but Marquez lands the harder punches with several combinations. Good enough to make it an even round.

11. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez starts and ends well, but Vazquez wins everything in between. He pressure and out works Marquez and lands some nice right hands.

12. Vazquez, 10-8
Marquez gets knocked down. All three minutes won by Vazquez. Hits marquez often with hard shots. I've watched this fight numerous times and still can't believe that Marquez wasn't stopped.

114-111 Vazquez

Interesting.

I wanted to give Vasquez more rounds but i felt he was getting hit far to cleanly and letting some of the rounds slip away because of that.

I can see either the winner TBH.

[Stoppage]

Just finished

1. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez wins the round by landing numerous jabs, left hooks, and good body work.

2. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez controls the round with his jab and nice hooks to the body. Vazquez does get in a nice left hook and right uppercut that backs up Marquez.

3. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez does well with his jab, which Vazquez is trying to counter with a right hand over the top. Vazquez has a better round, but Marquez takes it on his jab and body work.

4. Marquez, 10-8
Vazquez gets knocked down. Marquez stuns Vazquez and knocks him down with a right hand at the end of a combination. However, Vazquez manages to wobble Marquez with two right hands over Marquez's low left. I still made it 10-8 because other than being wobbled, Marquez controlled the round.

5. Vazquez, 10-9
Vazquez is slipping more jabs and landing his own jab, getting himself on the inside. Vazquez lands a nice left hook and nice right hands ( a nice one near the bell in particular). Marquez is showing Vazquez a lot of movement, but Izzy is cutting him off.

6. Vazquez, 10-9
Swing round. Marquez starts off well, landing his jab. However, Vazquez gains momentum as the round progresses and lands several hard right hands.

7. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez lands some nice combinations down the stretch, but Vazquez won the majority of the round, slipping punches and getting to work on the inside.

8. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez fights well in spurts, and isn't jabbing as much. Vazquez takes it with his pressure and the hard right hands he lands towards the end.

9. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez looks tired. He lands some nice shots at the end, but Vazquez pretty much out works and out lands him.

10. Even, 9-9
Point deduction. Vazquez comes forwards and pressures, but Marquez lands the harder punches with several combinations. Good enough to make it an even round.

11. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez starts and ends well, but Vazquez wins everything in between. He pressure and out works Marquez and lands some nice right hands.

12. Vazquez, 10-8
Marquez gets knocked down. All three minutes won by Vazquez. Hits marquez often with hard shots. I've watched this fight numerous times and still can't believe that Marquez wasn't stopped.

114-111 Vazquez

We scored it two points different for the opposite fighter. Not a shocker, though. A lot of the rounds were close.

[Shadows]

It was close. I thought Marquez was getting worn down every round after the 6th.

Vazquez was getting hit, but I do think he has a pretty decent defense as far as pressure fighters go. It's just that Marquez is an elite fighter, so he's bound to get tagged.

A lot of the rounds I gave to Vazquez because for me, Marquez would start and end well, whereas Vazquez was consistent with his output and pressure for three minutes; Marquez looked tired and was lazy with his jab when in that in between time. It's essentially the same reason I scored McCallum over Toney in the rematch and Castillo over Mayweather in the first fight.

I also thought that over the course of the twelve rounds, Vazquez landed the more effective punches. IMO he also stunned and hurt Marquez more, but obviously that doesn't automatically win you the fight. I also thought Vazquez was more effective in ring generalship as he was cutting off the ring more and forcing Marquez to fight more.

[Dynamite Kid]

Who is interested in scoring Pacquiao vs Marquez 2 ?

[Dynamite Kid]

I gave Pacquiao 5 rounds and Marquez 7, however the Knockdown means i scored it a draw. Manny's left hand was his what was keeping him in this fight at times he landed it over and over in the round he was successful in.



Round 1 Pacquiao(close tactical round) Pac 12 of 49, Jmm 6 OF 43

I like Pac in the first, he was more active whilst jmm did too much
waiting for my liking, a lot of the right hands jmm tried early in the round
missed but he did land a sharp clean right on Manny mid round, Pacquiao
scored with an early right jab, he went to the body a couple of times,
dictated the tempo and landed with a good flury towards the end.

Round 2 Marquez

Thought jmm wobbling Pac at the end stole the round , he looked effective
but he was not landing that cleanly because Pac was blocking a lot of his shots
on the gloves, Manny scored some good body work early and some nice straight
lefts.

Round 3 Pacquiao 10/8
I thought Pac was winning the round anyway but the KD punctuated
the round for him and made it 10/8

Round 4 Pacquiao
He landed straight left after straight left in this round.

Round 5 Marquez

Better round for JMM he controlled the action scored to the
body a few times and got his counter punching together

Round 6 Marquez
Clear round for jmm, he dictated and controlled the pace, scored
with effective counters.

Round 7 Pacquiao (tough round to score)
Not a lot happened early, both landed in the exchanges towards the end,
Manny seemed to have the bigger say with 3 good left hands

Round 8 Marquez
Clear round for jmm, Manny gets cut and jmm is taking advantage
and going back to what he did in round 5 & 6, effective clean counter
punching

Round 9 Marquez (tough round to score)

Pacquio back to being the aggressor but JMM also landed well, he has
been landing that left hook to the body all night.

Round 10 Pacquiao
Pac landed hard left hands tim and time again in this round

Round 11 Marquez
Not much happened early but jmm was still chipping away and toward the end he was landing to

round 12 Marquez
Clear round for JMM, he countered manny throughout.

[Stoppage]

I scored it 115-113 for Marquez. And that's very interesting because, I scored it for Pacquiao, in the previous times that I watched it.

Round one was mostly even but, I felt Marquez won it, because of the good straight right that he landed on Pacquiao. He also won the second round because of the big left hook that staggered Pacquiao. Pacquiao won the third because of the knockdown.

Both landed punches in round four but, I gave it to Pacquiao, because his were the more effective ones. The same for rounds five and six, but this time for Marquez.

I thought Pacquiao won the seventh, by a little bit. Marquez dominated the eighth round, because of the cut on Pacquiao's right eye. I scored round nine even, because it was a round that you could've given to either fighter.

Pacquiao won the tenth, because of the great left hands that he landed. Especially the one in the beginning of the round that staggered Marquez. Round eleven was a close round but I gave it to Marquez. It seemed like he landed the cleaner punches. The same for round twelve, except this time it wasn't a close round.

[Stoppage]

I gave Pacquiao 5 rounds and Marquez 7, however the Knockdown means i scored it a draw. Manny's left hand was his what was keeping him in this fight at times he landed it over and over in the round he was successful in.



Round 1 Pacquiao(close tactical round) Pac 12 of 49, Jmm 6 OF 43

I like Pac in the first, he was more active whilst jmm did too much
waiting for my liking, a lot of the right hands jmm tried early in the round
missed but he did land a sharp clean right on Manny mid round, Pacquiao
scored with an early right jab, he went to the body a couple of times,
dictated the tempo and landed with a good flury towards the end.

Round 2 Marquez

Thought jmm wobbling Pac at the end stole the round , he looked effective
but he was not landing that cleanly because Pac was blocking a lot of his shots
on the gloves, Manny scored some good body work early and some nice straight
lefts.

Round 3 Pacquiao 10/8
I thought Pac was winning the round anyway but the KD punctuated
the round for him and made it 10/8

Round 4 Pacquiao
He landed straight left after straight left in this round.

Round 5 Marquez

Better round for JMM he controlled the action scored to the
body a few times and got his counter punching together

Round 6 Marquez
Clear round for jmm, he dictated and controlled the pace, scored
with effective counters.

Round 7 Pacquiao (tough round to score)
Not a lot happened early, both landed in the exchanges towards the end,
Manny seemed to have the bigger say with 3 good left hands

Round 8 Marquez
Clear round for jmm, Manny gets cut and jmm is taking advantage
and going back to what he did in round 5 & 6, effective clean counter
punching

Round 9 Marquez (tough round to score)

Pacquio back to being the aggressor but JMM also landed well, he has
been landing that left hook to the body all night.

Round 10 Pacquiao
Pac landed hard left hands tim and time again in this round

Round 11 Marquez
Not much happened early but jmm was still chipping away and toward the end he was landing to

round 12 Marquez
Clear round for JMM, he countered manny throughout.

The only round that we scored differently was the first round. I was on the fence about it but I felt Marquez won it by an inch. It was a hard fight to score, overall.

[Dynamite Kid]

I scored it 115-113 for Marquez. And that's very interesting because, I scored it for Pacquiao, in the previous times that I watched it.

Round one was mostly even but, I felt Marquez won it, because of the good straight right that he landed on Pacquiao. He also won the second round because of the big left hook that staggered Pacquiao. Pacquiao won the third because of the knockdown.

Both landed punches in round four but, I gave it to Pacquiao, because his were the more effective ones. The same for rounds five and six, but this time for Marquez.

I thought Pacquiao won the seventh, by a little bit. Marquez dominated the eighth round, because of the cut on Pacquiao's right eye. I scored round nine even, because it was a round that you could've given to either fighter.

Pacquiao won the tenth, because of the great left hands that he landed. Especially the one in the beginning of the round that staggered Marquez. Round eleven was a close round but I gave it to Marquez. It seemed like he landed the cleaner punches. The same for round twelve, except this time it wasn't a close round.

115-113?

Does that score include the extra point for the knockdown?