If Cus Damato Lived And Continued To Train Tyson

[NakiFan]

Lewis would beat Tyson 2/3 times.

First fight Mike wins, Ko's lewis

second fight lewis wins a hard one, figuring out tyson and stopping him late

third fight Lewis destroys Tyson, knowing excactly how to fight him.

Lewis is an intelligent fighter, and once he knows your weakness he exploits it.

Only Ali, who has no weakness can win consistantly over lewis, but dont think lewis cant give ali a tough fight and win a few fights out of ten

[sonnyboyx2]

Lewis would beat Tyson 2/3 times.

First fight Mike wins, Ko's lewis

second fight lewis wins a hard one, figuring out tyson and stopping him late

third fight Lewis destroys Tyson, knowing excactly how to fight him.

Lewis is an intelligent fighter, and once he knows your weakness he exploits it.

Only Ali, who has no weakness can win consistantly over lewis, but dont think lewis cant give ali a tough fight and win a few fights out of ten

If Tyson wins the first fight like you say, by KO then he would almost certainly win the next in even quicker time, just like he did with Bruno..

you are deluding yourself if you think Lewis could beat Mike Tyson... it took Lewis 8rds to beat a "Heavily-Sedated" Tyson, who was a whole decade and more past his best.. Danny Williams & Kevin McBride beat that version of Tyson far easier than Lewis did..

Lewis goes down like other Tyson victims : Alex Stewart, Carl Williams, Michael Spinks, Henry Tilman, Cliff Ettiene by a brutal 1rd KO

[Bushidō]

Ive Been an Iron Fan my entire life but have heavy respect for boxers like Holyfield and Lewis. but seriously though If Iron who is my 1st favouraite all time boxer had stayed with kevin rooney as his trainer after the Michael Spinks Fight? i reckon tyson wouldve been even more ferocious then ever i just wish 4 things.....

1) he never associated himself with don king....
2)he never married robin givens...
3)he never went near desiree washington the lying b*tch
4) that cus survived a little longer and that he stayed with kevin as his trainer.

think about it i mean theres nothing i can do and im really glad that hes a reformed man now and all but if he did stay with kev i reckon he couldve been more respected by others like how lewis is respected or how Ali or Jack dempsey are.. anyways thats all i have to say thanks for reading and respect to all boxers...

If Cus was still alive and was there with Cus, IMO we would get the best possible Mike Tyson. He wouldn't get stuck with Don King and all those other leaches that just wanted his money

he wouldn't have gave up the girls though

[mickey malone]

If Tyson wins the first fight like you say, by KO then he would almost certainly win the next in even quicker time, just like he did with Bruno..

you are deluding yourself if you think Lewis could beat Mike Tyson... it took Lewis 8rds to beat a "Heavily-Sedated" Tyson, who was a whole decade and more past his best.. Danny Williams & Kevin McBride beat that version of Tyson far easier than Lewis did..

Lewis goes down like other Tyson victims : Alex Stewart, Carl Williams, Michael Spinks, Henry Tilman, Cliff Ettiene by a brutal 1rd KO

Always time for some Lewis bashing, isn't there?

Strange logic regarding Tyson Bruno, similar to Tyson Ruddock, I suppose

There's a few fighters I don't rate, but I don't respond to every post that mentions their name..

It's all becoming a bit tedious, as you're now beginning to show yourself up!

I mean, offering that Tyson was 'heavily sedated' as an excuse for getting his ass kicked.. What you meant to say, is that Tyson was particularly ****** to fight for a world title, while medically unfit..

[sonnyboyx2]

Always time for some Lewis bashing, isn't there?

Strange logic regarding Tyson Bruno, similar to Tyson Ruddock, I suppose

There's a few fighters I don't rate, but I don't respond to every post that mentions their name..

It's all becoming a bit tedious, as you're now beginning to show yourself up!

I mean, offering that Tyson was 'heavily sedated' as an excuse for getting his ass kicked.. What you meant to say, is that Tyson was particularly ****** to fight for a world title, while medically unfit..

same difference aint it... When Tyson fought Lewis he was taking anti-depressants and very strong ones at that..

When Tyson fought Ruddock a 2nd time it was due to the `outcry` from the press that their 1st fight had been stopped prematurely, yet Tyson dished out a career-ending beating to Ruddock in the 2nd fight, breaking Ruddocks jaw and smashing his eye-socket along with his cheek-bone.

Tyson was Not ****** to fight for a World Title against Lewis... He fought because he needed the Money its as simple as that... Tysons words to Lewis in the ring when being interviewed by Jim Gray was "Thanks for the money Lennox"... But for the previous poster to claim Lewis would beat Tyson 2 out of 3 fights is just not true.. it took Lewis 8rd to beat a version of Tyson who was more than a decade past his best, who was sedated and not able to fight back.. To deny this is lying...Tyson was only able to mount an attack for the first 30 seconds of the fight and was not fit enough to continue it there-after, yet a version of Tyson from a decade earlier could fight at a good pace for 12rds... with almost half of his professional fights ending in the opening round Lewis would most certainly be a victim of those circumstances also.

Are we to also say that both Danny Williams & Kevin McBride would also beat Mike Tyson 2 out of 3 times if they fought ... No we are not because its just not possible to comprehend them doing that, yet they both beat Tyson far more convincingly that what Lewis did.

Its never a case as you claim of "Lewis Bashing" its a case of telling it how it really was, if you dont think this was the case then post up and we can get this thing sorted out... i also notice you have your own Top 10 List posted up and have Lewis rated ahead of Mike Tyson.. i cannot take anything you say as knowledgable as in my opinion you have little boxing knowledge just by looking at your top 10 are you seriously expecting me to believe Lennox Lewis was a superior champion to your choice of No 6 to 10 Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Liston ?
they would all crucify Lewis and certainly would never ever be one-punched poleaxed by journeymen Rahman & McCall

[blacklodge]

I love a sentimental story as much as anyone, but I think the whole Cus and Tyson thing is a bunch of marketing bull****. I have no doubt that Tyson's feelings are sincere, I don't doubt the influence in formative training, but all this fall from grace and father figure nonsense is just an attempt to bolster the Tyson mythology. Then and now. First it was his handlers, and now Tyson himself (as shrewd a self-marketer as Ali in my view, just in a different way). None of Cus' continued influence would have changed who he was, simply because it didn't before he died. Tyson was troubled as a youth, a young adult, and probably still is. Not to mention he knew he was being exploited. I wouldn't be suprised if that wasn't why they rushed him the way they did, secondary to the fact that the landscape was right. Holmes was getting old, and Tyson pre-empted his piers, the next generation of heavyweights, and instead of fighting through Bowe, Lewis, etc. he fought all of Holmes' contenders and others who were on the way out anyway, mixed in with some decent heavys like Frank Bruno. Tyson was just about to be tested, I think for the first time, by a group of better heavyweights than the ones he had faced, then he lost to Douglas and went to prison. Tyson didn't stop training because his trainers ******. Tyson fired Rooney anyway. He didn't want to put the work in. Cus and Jacobs didn't hold some mystical power over him that would have changed that.

[mickey malone]

same difference aint it... When Tyson fought Lewis he was taking anti-depressants and very strong ones at that..

When Tyson fought Ruddock a 2nd time it was due to the `outcry` from the press that their 1st fight had been stopped prematurely, yet Tyson dished out a career-ending beating to Ruddock in the 2nd fight, breaking Ruddocks jaw and smashing his eye-socket along with his cheek-bone.

Tyson was Not ****** to fight for a World Title against Lewis... He fought because he needed the Money its as simple as that... Tysons words to Lewis in the ring when being interviewed by Jim Gray was "Thanks for the money Lennox"... But for the previous poster to claim Lewis would beat Tyson 2 out of 3 fights is just not true.. it took Lewis 8rd to beat a version of Tyson who was more than a decade past his best, who was sedated and not able to fight back.. To deny this is lying...Tyson was only able to mount an attack for the first 30 seconds of the fight and was not fit enough to continue it there-after, yet a version of Tyson from a decade earlier could fight at a good pace for 12rds... with almost half of his professional fights ending in the opening round Lewis would most certainly be a victim of those circumstances also.

Are we to also say that both Danny Williams & Kevin McBride would also beat Mike Tyson 2 out of 3 times if they fought ... No we are not because its just not possible to comprehend them doing that, yet they both beat Tyson far more convincingly that what Lewis did.

Its never a case as you claim of "Lewis Bashing" its a case of telling it how it really was, if you dont think this was the case then post up and we can get this thing sorted out... i also notice you have your own Top 10 List posted up and have Lewis rated ahead of Mike Tyson.. i cannot take anything you say as knowledgable as in my opinion you have little boxing knowledge just by looking at your top 10 are you seriously expecting me to believe Lennox Lewis was a superior champion to your choice of No 6 to 10 Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Liston ?
they would all crucify Lewis and certainly would never ever be one-punched poleaxed by journeymen Rahman & McCall

You actually take Tyson's fights with Lewis, Williams and McBride seriously, don't you?..
All this girlie crap about the other 2 beating Tyson more easily than Lewis..
Williams was nearly KTFO in his fight, while McBride huffed n' puffed & eventually won by pushing Tyson over, who then could'nt be bothered to get back up..
Not that it means anything, but Lewis just used him to sharpen up on, he clinically dismantled the tortured shell of Mike Tyson, and in the process, gave some financial security that inevitably softened him up for the other 2..

Thanks for the comments regarding my top 10.. Just to make the assumption that I know very little about boxing, purely by observing my top 10 HW's, highlights your narrow mindedness.. I'd dread to think who you have in yours! Liston & Frazier overrated etc etc..

Career ending fight for Ruddock against Tyson2 ??..... More bollocks!

Rahman and McCall lol.. Both avenged once, but I suppose you feel he should have had a trilogy with them? And in your world, Lewis would OBVIOUSLY lose BOTH rubber matches, wouldn't he?

You really have to get over all of this assassination stuff on Lewis.. It'll make you ill!

[BennyST]

I'd say Mike was a bit better than Dempsey and Johnson, so I guess that's where he could fit in.. Obviously, this is just a my opinion, & you're right, exceptional skills do beat exceptional power, but Tyson wasn't an unexceptional boxer, so I'd say he beats both of them, Dempsey by way of late stoppage & Johnson by way of UD.. Dempsey would trade and Johnson would clinch and spoil, no match for a rampaging Tyson.. With regard to the others, a prime Foreman may have stopped him, with Liston and Marciano giving good accounts of themselves, but going the same way as Dempsey..
With regard to post 95 matchups, I was hypathetically referring to, if he'd fought them on the way up.. All would probably beat him post 95..

With only five knockouts past round five (one guy gave up and the others were TKO's) I have trouble thinking he would stop him late. None came after round seven. He was just one of those guys that didn't do well late at all, especially with his power punches.

From round five onward he more or less lost most of his speed, which killed his power and by the eighth round it was nearly nonexistent. If he did stop him I might see it happening early or around the fifth but any later....I don't know. I wouldn't think so.

What do you think?

[BennyST]

Its never a case as you claim of "Lewis Bashing" its a case of telling it how it really was, if you dont think this was the case then post up and we can get this thing sorted out... i also notice you have your own Top 10 List posted up and have Lewis rated ahead of Mike Tyson.. i cannot take anything you say as knowledgable as in my opinion you have little boxing knowledge just by looking at your top 10 are you seriously expecting me to believe Lennox Lewis was a superior champion to your choice of No 6 to 10 Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Liston ?
they would all crucify Lewis and certainly would never ever be one-punched poleaxed by journeymen Rahman & McCall

Well, what about when Tyson was poleaxed by Douglas a decade earlier than when Lewis got him? Douglas wasn't as good as Rahman and was only about as good as McCall, the two guys that beat Lewis, but Lewis revenged those two losses brutally.

If Douglas could beat a prime Tyson with good movement and a good jab, why couldn't the much bigger, and much better Lewis?

Oh, and I noticed you said 'all would crucify him' and yet Lewis took apart Holyfield without any trouble and really didn't have an ounce of trouble with Tyson either. Yes, he was more or less shot but he was prime when he fought Douglas and got beat badly.

[BennyST]

Lewis would beat Tyson 2/3 times.

First fight Mike wins, Ko's lewis

second fight lewis wins a hard one, figuring out tyson and stopping him late

third fight Lewis destroys Tyson, knowing excactly how to fight him.

Lewis is an intelligent fighter, and once he knows your weakness he exploits it.

Only Ali, who has no weakness can win consistantly over lewis, but dont think lewis cant give ali a tough fight and win a few fights out of ten

Is that a joke or a serious statement?

Ali had a lot of weaknesses man. He covered them up well, and with his physical prowess escaped a lot of stuff early but he had terrible defense, got hit way too much, pulled back from punches, was highly susceptible to the hook, didn't have great punching technique etc etc.

He most certainly had weaknesses. Most were made up by his heart and will to win though.