Jem Mace - the father of scientific boxing

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  • Dr Z
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    #21
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
    Jem Mace might have advanced scientific boxing and helped spread it.

    But he wasn’t the father, Daniel Mendoza for example preceded him.
    Don't forget Dutch Sam!

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    • QueensburyRules
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      #22
      Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

      Yeah, society could not longer abide Knights. The warrior was more and more constrained to sport.

      Mace was multi-talented and well trained in combat.

      There was no longer room for a 'Renaissance warrior' like Mace, trained in combat and music.

      Born after his time.

      P.S I noticed ChatGPT keeps wanting to refer to Mace as the 'Farher of Modern Boxing' but guys on this forum don't agree.

      So I challenged ChatGPT with Mendoza. Here's its reply:

      (It had a decided opinion on the word 'modern.')

      ChatGPT (edited)

      Tom (sic) Mendoza — the 18th-century English boxer often credited with codifying techniques, guards, and stances — some historians argue he’s the technical father of modern boxing because he formalized the scientific approach to fighting, rather than just being a star in the ring. His influence is more about fighting style and strategy, whereas Mace’s influence was more about professionalization and promotion.

      Mace = Father of Modern Boxing as a sport/business, bridging bare-knuckle to Queensberry rules.

      Mendoza = Father of Scientific Boxing as a technique/science, influencing stance, guard, and strategy

      Me again:

      Based on the word 'modern' ChatGPT wanted to stick with Mace.

      P.S.S. It got Mendoza's first name wrong but I left it as such. I asked it a second time and it came up with 'Daniel.' (Second try -- lol)
      - - Mendoza was a Floater/Stinker who would've been a track star had they paid like boxing.

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      • Willie Pep 229
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        #23
        Originally posted by QueensburyRules

        - - Mendoza was a Floater/Stinker who would've been a track star had they paid like boxing.
        Reservation --> Carlisle School --> Olympics --> pro football. Just Jim Thrope trying to make a buck in an unforgiving world.

        If Mendoza made the hustle work, good for him.

        Don't understand floater/stinker. I am concluding drifter, possibly cross fighter?
        Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 09-02-2025, 11:15 AM.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

          Reservation --> Carlisle School --> Olympics --> pro football. Just Jim Trope trying to make a buck in an unforgiving world.

          If Mendoza made the hustle work, good for him.

          Don't understand floater/stinker. I am concluding drifter, possibly cross fighter?
          - - Floater/Stinker-Runner/Sinker TBE TUE...Whoooosh...

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