All Time Great Rankings of the Modern Black Murderers Row: Roy Bernard James

[SouthpawRight]

How much all time great in order are Roy Bernard and Floyd’s Cousin James

[NotIron]

Only two of those are ATG’s and first ballot HOF’ers and that’s Roy Jones and Hopkins

The order would be;

Roy Jones
Distant second - Hopkins
Very distant third - Toney

[SouthpawRight]

Only two of those are ATG’s and first ballot HOF’ers and that’s Roy Jones and Hopkins

The order would be;

Roy Jones
Distant second - Hopkins
Very distant third - Toney

what keeps Floyd’s Cousin James from all time greatness?

[NotIron]

what keeps Floyd’s Cousin James from all time greatness?

Not sure why you would say he’s Floyd’s cousin?

Anyway, he didn’t even get in the HOF on the first ballot, it’s very rare that you can say that about an ATG in fact I don’t think there is an example where you can.

Why is that? Because his career wasn’t good enough.

[them_apples]

Only two of those are ATG’s and first ballot HOF’ers and that’s Roy Jones and Hopkins

The order would be;

Roy Jones
Distant second - Hopkins
Very distant third - Toney

How is Hopkins better than Toney? Hopkins didn't beat up heavies as a fat middleweight. Hopkins didn't beat any really good fighters, just stayed consistent beating guys below him. I don't see how he tactically beat DLH or Trinidad, he was bigger, stronger and better than both all he had to do was brawl them they werent particularly smart fighters. toney would have murdered them both

[SouthpawRight]

Not sure why you would say he’s Floyd’s cousin?

Michigan Shoulder Roll Blacks

[NotIron]

Michigan Shoulder Roll Blacks

That makes someone their cousin?

They are polar opposites as fighters outside of using their shoulder to deflect punches.

[NotIron]

How is Hopkins better than Toney? Hopkins didn't beat up heavies as a fat middleweight.

Toney didn't "beat up" any good Heavyweights either.

Toney couldn't even win a World Title at LHW unlike Hopkins who did multiple times as an underdog.

Hopkins didn't beat any really good fighters

Oh yeah

just stayed consistent beating guys below him. I don't see how he tactically beat DLH or Trinidad, he was bigger, stronger and better than both all he had to do was brawl them they werent particularly smart fighters. toney would have murdered them both

There is zero evidence that Toney would “murder” anyone on the level of even Middleweight versions of Trinidad or De La Hoya. Zero. So that’s that one.

Hopkins career is much better than Toney’s. For starters he didn’t lose to journeyman multiple times in his prime years like Toney did.

Secondly, Hopkins actually beat top level fighters in dominant fashion unlike Toney who never did that.

[them_apples]

Toney didn't "beat up" any good Heavyweights either.

Toney couldn't even win a World Title at LHW unlike Hopkins who did multiple times as an underdog.




Oh yeah




There is zero evidence that Toney would “murder” anyone on the level of even Middleweight versions of Trinidad or De La Hoya. Zero. So that’s that one.

Hopkins career is much better than Toney’s. For starters he didn’t lose to journeyman multiple times in his prime years like Toney did.

Secondly, Hopkins actually beat top level fighters in dominant fashion unlike Toney who never did that.

Who did Hopkins beat that was as good as Nunn?

Put Toney in W trinidad or DLH its murder, he'd be too strong, too slick. one punch Trinidad ya right no chance. He'd stand right in front of him and beat on him.

[SouthpawRight]

Who did Hopkins beat that was as good as Nunn?

Put Toney in W trinidad or DLH its murder, he'd be too strong, too slick. one punch Trinidad ya right no chance. He'd stand right in front of him and beat on him.�

flashback of Floyd’s counter right that staggered Oscar who was spamming Floyd in the pocket