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Who was the best American Heavyweight Champion 2000-2025?

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  • #41
    Originally posted by BKM- View Post

    Would it help if I told you his rivals like Tyson and Lewis on just as big, if not bigger ****tails of PED's than Evander?
    It would help if there was some compelling evidence or smoking gun that could raise concerns. I’ve always suspected Tyson was juicing but I haven’t heard that about Lewis.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by BKM- View Post

      Well Wilder should be #1 in my eyes, so it's between Byrd and Rahman. Byrd's got the wins over Vitali, Tua, past prime Evander, McCline, and he was a small HW's who had really nice upperbody movement, footwork, defense etc. Yeah Rahman's fine at #3.
      Respect. Those names alone and him becoming a two time champion is the reason why I put Byrd over Wilder but Wilder was fun to watch and he had alot of title defenses but he never really beaten a top 4 heavyweight.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

        It would help if there was some compelling evidence or smoking gun that could raise concerns. I’ve always suspected Tyson was juicing but I haven’t heard that about Lewis.
        Thats what shocked me. Idk Lennox was on drugs. This is new to me if this is true.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

          It would help if there was some compelling evidence or smoking gun that could raise concerns. I’ve always suspected Tyson was juicing but I haven’t heard that about Lewis.
          Well my good sir the same rational feelings that made you suspect Tyson's juicing should be directed towards Lennox too. Lennox even started as skinny and frail lookling while Mike was already fully roided and HGH'd in their mid teens, just look at the photo of them next to eachother when they trained together. The amount of mass Lennox developed and sustained shortly thereafter isn't possible naturally plus he fails the eye test like the rest of them.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

            Nahhh come on man lol. Plus he never was a champion so he wouldn't even be mentioned. Tony was decent maybe step below fast eddie chambers? Lol
            - -Gave Wlad his toughest fights, whereas Chambers was a walk in the park. You are the common chaff that ignore lefties are dominant in every weight class in reference to their small numbers on the global scale population demographics.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

              - -Gave Wlad his toughest fights, whereas Chambers was a walk in the park. You are the common chaff that ignore lefties are dominant in every weight class in reference to their small numbers on the global scale population demographics.
              We are not talking about all lefties. We are only talking about Tony in a fourm for best American heavyweight champions in the last 25 years. Tony was never a champion so this topic is irrelevant honestly. Yes Tony had an awkward style that made fighting him difficult.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

                We are not talking about all lefties. We are only talking about Tony in a fourm for best American heavyweight champions in the last 25 years. Tony was never a champion so this topic is irrelevant honestly. Yes Tony had an awkward style that made fighting him difficult.
                - - He was better than fellow lefty Byrd but never had those opportunities because of DKing...

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - He was better than fellow lefty Byrd but never had those opportunities because of DKing...
                  He had two title opportunities against Wald. Matter of fact. He lost every minor title shot opportunity after the first Wald fight.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

                    He had two title opportunities against Wald. Matter of fact. He lost every minor title shot opportunity after the first Wald fight.
                    - - As mentioned and for those special needy needing extra reminders, Tony Thompson gave Wlad most of his hardest fights and he did it overseas. Byrd a walk in the park.

                    Minor titles won by Tony-
                    Atatürk Spor Salonu, Tekirdag W-SD 12/12 event bout score wiki
                    ref: Guido Cavalleri Predrag Aleksic 115-114 Ian John-Lewis 115-113 Juergen Langos 112-116
                    WBC International Heavy (vacant) (supervisor: Mauro Betti)
                    Gloria Sports Arena, Gloria Hotels and Resorts, Antalya W-RTD 8/12 event bout score wiki
                    3:00 ref: Daniel Van de Wiele Robin Dolpierre 76-76 Bela Florian 79-73 Steve Mertz 78-75
                    WBC Continental Americas Heavy (vacant) (supervisor: Houcine Houichi)
                    Solis refused to come out of his corner.
                    ​​

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                      - - As mentioned and for those special needy needing extra reminders, Tony Thompson gave Wlad most of his hardest fights and he did it overseas. Byrd a walk in the park.

                      Minor titles won by Tony-
                      Atatürk Spor Salonu, Tekirdag W-SD 12/12 event bout score wiki
                      ref: Guido Cavalleri Predrag Aleksic 115-114 Ian John-Lewis 115-113 Juergen Langos 112-116
                      WBC International Heavy (vacant) (supervisor: Mauro Betti)
                      Gloria Sports Arena, Gloria Hotels and Resorts, Antalya W-RTD 8/12 event bout score wiki
                      3:00 ref: Daniel Van de Wiele Robin Dolpierre 76-76 Bela Florian 79-73 Steve Mertz 78-75
                      WBC Continental Americas Heavy (vacant) (supervisor: Houcine Houichi)
                      Solis refused to come out of his corner.
                      ​​
                      The only minor title he won after the 2nd Wald defeat was when he beat Odlanier Solís three times. Thats it. Not better then Byrd at all. Not even better Ortiz.

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