What are the top ten boxing controversies?

[Willie Pep 229]

What are the top ten boxing controversies?

I don't mean events like Tyson biting off Holyfield's ear. That is not a controversey. That was just an embarrassment to the fight game.

It seems that "The Long-Count" has to be on everyone's list. Regardless of how you feel about it, the event reverberated for 80 years.

Also Schmeling-Sharkey I with Der Max claiming the HW Title sitting on his stool after a low blow. That controversey caused the NYSAC to introduce the use of the kidney belt, and changed the rules on low blows. So that should be considered a big one too.

What else is on the list: In the ring only. (No Peds, no aressts.)

In no particular order.

• The Long-Count
• Sharkey's low blow to Schmeling
• Chavez-Taylor stoppage
• Clay-Liston II - 'The Anchor Punch'
• Clay-Liston I - The fifth round blinding; Liston quitting
• Arguello-Pryor - 'The black bottle'
• Clay-Cooper I - 'Smelling salt'
• Griffith-Paret III - Ruby Goldstein ends a life and his top-tier career
• Margarito-Cotto - loaded gloves
• Resto-Collins - loaded gloves
• Dempsey-Willard - loaded gloves
• Charley White stops a 'mixed bout' in 1900 (Gans-Sullivan)*

* I include this one because I believe it had an indirect affect on all refreeing that followed.

Charly White called a stop to a 25 round fight, in the 14th round. A tough (White) Irish kid, Spike Sullivan, refused to go down, but was taking a pasting. Taking a bad beating.; Gains was totally dominating.

Refree White made a courageous decision to halt the fight with Spike Sullivan still on his feet and still trying to engage. White based his stoppage on the reality that Sullivan was being 'outclassed' (probably a bad word choice on his part) and that the fighter's safety was paramount regardless of the fight or the races involved.

The White crowd wasn't buying it and went ballistic. Charly White ended up with 14 stitches to the head. But he never backed away from his decision.

It was an important controversey for its day. It may be why Charley White was the only white referee that Jack Johnson would accept as a back-up to Tex Rickard for the Johnson-Jeffries fight in 1910.

(There was real concern that out of shape referee Tex Rickard might pass out in the Reno heat, so they wanted a back up referee on hand.)

Johnson chose Charley White, maybe because of the Gans fight.

[max baer]

What are the top ten boxing controversies?

I don't mean events like Tyson biting off Holyfield's ear. That is not a controversey. That was just an embarrassment to the fight game.

It seems that "The Long-Count" has to be on everyone's list. Regardless of how you feel about it, the event reverberated for 80 years.

Also Schmeling-Sharkey I with Der Max claiming the HW Title sitting on his stool after a low blow. That controversey caused the NYSAC to introduce the use of the kidney belt, and changed the rules on low blows. So that should be considered a big one too.

What else is on the list:

In no particular order.

• The Long-Count
• Sharkey's low blow to Schmeling
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bowe verses gallota was a crazy match up.
vlad vs brewster. that was one i enjoyed.
drago vs appolo creed!!!

[The D3vil]

Ooooh, that's a good question.

I can't be bother to rank them, but off the top of my head some controversies

• Pryor's win over Arguello after "the bottle" that Panama Lewis mixed
• Bradley over Pacquaio
• Tyson-Douglas long count
• Tank getting a "Time Out" against Roach
• Manny's "fear of needles" & Floyd's "illegal IV"
• Richard Steele stopping Chavez/Taylor
• Canelo/GGG - the whole thing (Caneloweight, PEDs, scorecards)
• Liston's "business decision" against Ali
• Ali's suspension for not going to Vietnam
• Chavez/Whittaker robbery
• How long did Tommy Morrison have AIDS before anyone knew? (allegedly, he tested positive 7 years earlier)
• Bowe throwing belt in garbage to avoid Lewis
• Dempsey - Tunney long count

[GhostofDempsey]

Dempsey/Tunney and Tyson/Douglas long count
Aaron Pryor and the special water bottle
Floyd and the illegal IV
Ali phantom punch vs Liston
Margarito’s win over Cotto (loaded wraps)
“Evan Fields” steroid scandal
Hurricane Carter conviction, still debatable

[max baer]

Willie i always remember this as a kid. It was the olympics 88 in korea.
I think anyone here who is old enough will recall it.
This is google ai about it

At the 1988 Seoul Olympics, South Korean boxer Park Si-hun controversially won the light middleweight gold medal against American Roy Jones Jr. Despite Jones being considered the clear winner by most observers, Park was awarded the victory, sparking widespread criticism and leading to reforms in boxing scoring at the Olympics.

[QueensburyRules]

Dempsey/Tunney and Tyson/Douglas long count
Aaron Pryor and the special water bottle
Floyd and the illegal IV
Ali phantom punch vs Liston
Margarito’s win over Cotto (loaded wraps)
“Evan Fields” steroid scandal
Hurricane Carter conviction, still debatable

- - The only thing debatable is Carter's release where he beats up his benefactors who have given him a place to live.

Ron Lipton was a friend in his younger days along with being a ama boxer who was a main sparring partner of Carter. He stated as Carter aged he became more threatening and was a key witness in his trial and on record as saying everything pointed to Carter being guilty.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - The only thing debatable is Carter's release where he beats up his benefactors who have given him a place to live.

Ron Lipton was a friend in his younger days along with being a ama boxer who was a main sparring partner of Carter. He stated as Carter aged he became more threatening and was a key witness in his trial and on record as saying everything pointed to Carter being guilty.

I was hanging out one night in Paterson. Ended up at a black nightclub where I had a great night.

But . . . (it was 1972)

I was sitting with some guys in a small bar downstairs from the main party, drinking some beers (only guys, they were taking a break from their bitches.)

And argument breaks out, but I have no clue what they're talking about.

One guy says "It couldn't have happened that way."

Another guy replied, "No, that's because they moved the bar when they remolded.

Someone jumped up and started pulling up the carpet against the opposite wall. You could see the outline of where the old bar was located and the dired blood stains on the floor.

At that moment I realized where I was.

I don't know which poster above suggested that Carter was railroaded; I can assure you from personal, first hand experiences. There wasn't a black in that neighborhood that wasn't happy that the psychopath Carter was off the streets. They hated him being around.

Another guy told me how every Sunday morning at Church the buzz was "Who did Carter beat up last night?"

Carter would walk into bars and start screwing with some other guy's girl. The guy whould stand up to him and then get his ass beat.

Carter was a coke fiend who wreaked terror on the streets of Paterson for two solid year, until he went full blow crazy and took down four people with a shot gun, for nothing more than a hand full of cash from the register. Just like a junkie would. Pathetic.

All the black protest you hear comes from the Civil Rights' guys. Blacks who never had to actually live in the tough neighborhoods like Paterson.

Carter was a con, just like all criminals, and played the victim, and if you were a black you went along with his BS, unless of course you were a black who had to live in Paterson next to that psychopath then you were happy the terror stopped.

[Coverdale]

Not top ten but who remembers one of Ricky Hatton's opponents' father jumping in the ring to confront the referee?