Top 10 Most OVERRATED Fighters

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About as valid as the whole Mosley ducked Mayweather in 1999 debate.

Don't believe it for one second and firmly believe Ray woulda had his way with him.

I think Leonard would have beat him, also. But that's not a good reason to say why Leonard didn't duck Pryor.

[Dynamite Kid]

I think Leonard would have beat him, also. But that's not a good reason to say why Leonard didn't duck Pryor.

Im a Pryor fan but Leonard may very well of taken Pryor out to. Pryor got decked in most of his fights and whilst that was down to leaving his chin hanging out none of his opponents had the finishing prowess of Leonard.

Leonard is the best finisher ive ever seen along with Mike Tyson, ironically enough Pryor was a very good finisher to.

[TheGreatA]

That's the only available footage that I know of which can help show that Leonard ducked Pryor. I also believe that Leonard was interviewed once and said that Pryor was too much of a risk but I can't confirm this.

There was no reason why he shouldn't have fought Pryor. Pryor had a good name and was a respected champion in another weight class. He was even willing to come up to Leonard's division in order to face him.

Say what you want but I think Leonard ducked Pryor.

Here's an article from 1982:

"I had nothing but good dealings with Aaron," says Elkus. "Unfortunately, he's his own worst enemy. He isn't a bad kid, and he's a kid even though he's 27. I don't think Cincinnatians look at him as a professional athlete. I think they look at him as a kid from the ****** who had the gall to say, 'I'm going to turn down a $500,000 offer to fight Ray Leonard.' Now they like to hear that Aaron had a paternity suit, that his attorney sued him, that he fired his business manager, that he doesn't want Buddy LaRosa in his corner anymore. But all that doesn't mean anything. The guy can fight. Aaron has his minuses, but he has a lot of pluses you never hear about."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1126084/2/index.htm

"If Aaron Pryor is anywhere in the audience, this is your opportunity, pal," said Leonard, challenging the WBA junior welterweight champion to a fight for the welterweight title.

Pryor had been making public challenges to Leonard.

"You'll be a tune-up," said Leonard.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=pbQRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=p-kDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5388,3313013&dq=ray+leonard+aaron+pryor&hl=en

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"I had nothing but good dealings with Aaron," says Elkus. "Unfortunately, he's his own worst enemy. He isn't a bad kid, and he's a kid even though he's 27. I don't think Cincinnatians look at him as a professional athlete. I think they look at him as a kid from the ****** who had the gall to say, 'I'm going to turn down a $500,000 offer to fight Ray Leonard.' Now they like to hear that Aaron had a paternity suit, that his attorney sued him, that he fired his business manager, that he doesn't want Buddy LaRosa in his corner anymore. But all that doesn't mean anything. The guy can fight. Aaron has his minuses, but he has a lot of pluses you never hear about."

That's not proof. That's what another man claims Pryor said. It's the same as what I said before, with Bert Sugar claiming Leonard said that Pryor was too much of a risk. Not actual proof.

"If Aaron Pryor is anywhere in the audience, this is your opportunity, pal," said Leonard, challenging the WBA junior welterweight champion to a fight for the welterweight title.

Pryor had been making public challenges to Leonard.

"You'll be a tune-up," said Leonard.

"You'll be a tune-up," said Leonard, as if talking to Pryor, who was not present.

[TheGreatA]

That's not proof. That's what another man claims Pryor said. It's the same as what I said before, with Bert Sugar claiming Leonard said that Pryor was too much of a risk. Not actual proof.

I'd imagine that one of Pryor's closest associates saying it at the time is more credible than proven myth spewer Bert Sugar talking about the fight 20 years later.

There's no proof whatsoever that Leonard ducked Pryor. No newspapers at the time thought so, Pryor himself didn't (he actually applauded Leonard for retiring), only after the HBO Legendary Nights did people begin to believe this myth.

Pryor called out Leonard in press conferences, Leonard called out Pryor during the post-fight press conference after beating Hearns. There were discussions but nothing came off of them, and Leonard retired before Pryor had his greatest victory against Alexis Arguello.

Here's Pryor in 1981 saying he doesn't expect to fight either Hearns or Leonard because they are "picking up weight":

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9FANAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-20DAAAAIBAJ&pg=7068,5930924&dq=pryor+leonard&hl=en

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There's no proof whatsoever that Leonard ducked Pryor. No newspapers at the time thought so, Pryor himself didn't (he actually applauded Leonard for retiring), only after the HBO Legendary Nights did people begin to believe this myth.

Just because there's no proof doesn't mean you can't assume. If you think Leonard didn't duck Pryor, that's fine. I think the other way.

Here's Pryor in 1981 saying he doesn't expect to fight either Hearns or Leonard because they are "picking up weight":

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+leonard&hl=en

I don't see how that gives any proof. Him not expecting the fights because they're moving up in weight? Wouldn't that just add to the speculation of them ducking him?

[Princemanspopa]

That's the only available footage that I know of which can help show that Leonard ducked Pryor. I also believe that Leonard was interviewed once and said that Pryor was too much of a risk but I can't confirm this.

There was no reason why he shouldn't have fought Pryor. Pryor had a good name and was a respected champion in another weight class. He was even willing to come up to Leonard's division in order to face him.

Say what you want but I think Leonard ducked Pryor.

Oh for the love of god.You watched HBO Legendary nights and came to this conclusion,just admit it.

Go ahead and tell me how Pryor was a name before he beat Arguello?

Go ahead and tell me how Pryor was even a factor in the welterweight division?

Pryor was a big fish in a small pond,who wasn't willing to step out of that tiny pond into the open sea that was the welterweight division.

[TheGreatA]

Just because there's no proof doesn't mean you can't assume. If you think Leonard didn't duck Pryor, that's fine. I think the other way.

I don't see how that gives any proof. Him not expecting the fights because they're moving up in weight? Wouldn't that just add to the speculation of them ducking him?

You can assume what you want but I was wondering whether you had any proof other than the infamous HBO Legendary Nights episode to back up your claim. I've researched this somewhat and come to the conclusion that no ducking was going on. All facts seem to point out that way.

He said he didn't expect fights against Hearns and Leonard because they were "picking up weight", as in they were bigger. Pryor fought at 135-140 and never had a fight at 147 until fighting Bobby Joe Young in 1987, a fight he lost.

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Oh for the love of god.You watched HBO Legendary nights and came to this conclusion,just admit it.

Actually, I was watching their fights before I saw the Legendary Nights episode and thought to myself: why didn't they fight? Then it hit me.

Also, your fascination with relating Legendary Nights episodes in almost every one of your posts shows your limited ability to reason out things.

Go ahead and tell me how Pryor was a name before he beat Arguello?

If Leonard can sell good crowds against opponents like Larry Bonds, Bruce Finch and Ayub Kalule, he should have no problem against Pryor.

And I'm guessing he had more credibility for beating better opponents than any of the fighters listed above did.

Go ahead and tell me how Pryor was even a factor in the welterweight division?

He hadn't fought in the welterweight division, at the time, but I don't doubt that he a threat to them.

He was the best in his division. Besides that, he beat Hearns in the amateurs, came off a knockout victory over an all-time great JWW in Cervantes, and was repeatedly calling out Leonard for a fight. Yet, he couldn't get a good fight.

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ali (i think he's a great fighter a atg fighter) but this is to the casual fan that says he is the greatest.
manny of course
oscar de la hoya
vargas
chavez sr