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  • wpink1
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    #181
    Originally posted by Panamaniac
    In the order they came to mind:
    • Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
    • Wladimir Klitschko
    • Lennox Lewis
    • Wilfred Benitez
    • Benny Leonard
    • Willie Pep
    • Sugar Ray Leonard
    • Pernell Whitaker
    • Evander Holyfield
    • Roy Jones, Jr.
    This shows how dumb this guy is... He hypes up duran, but says leonard and benetiz are overrated. Both fighters beat Duran, leoanrd beat him twice.

    Mayweather would have beaten duran at 135, 140, 147,

    In fact panamiac, can you build a case beside just rooting for Duran that objectively qualities him based on quality of opposition he beat up to age 33, can you build and support a case for him to be considered a alltime great.

    Keep in mind we can research his quailty of opposition, we all know he barely beat Leonard the first time by a combined total of 4 points in a fight Leonard chose to not box, then when ray did box him, Duran quit like a *****.

    The most overrated is Clearly Duran. Who did he beat, his record vs great fighters even before age 33 was 1-4. Ohhh save the he moved up crap. Mayweather moved up, leoanrd moved up, Sweat pea moved up, Jones moved up, Pacman has moved up, Dlh has moved up, Mosley moved up...Robinson moved up, Armstrong moved up, Holyfield moved up,,,,the list goes on and on...Duran is simply overrated.

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    • donkim
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      #182
      Originally posted by QUELOQUE
      Louis was better at what? As far as accomplishments go, Ali has wins over 2 of the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time. How many does Louis have?... Ali also has almost as many good wins as Louis, so when combined with the great ones he has that Louis lacks. And as far as skills and talent goes, Ali beats him.
      Arguing that Ali has a greater resume than Louis is like arguing that the sky is blue.

      Dunce is as a dunce does.

      Originally posted by wpink1
      Duran is simply overrated.
      Not to mention one of his greatest victories was a clear gift of a decision.Duran's apologists have as many excuses for his losses as Duran does himself.
      Last edited by donkim; 12-18-2009, 03:08 AM.

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      • Obama
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        #183
        Originally posted by QUELOQUE
        Louis was better at what? As far as accomplishments go, Ali has wins over 2 of the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time. How many does Louis have?... Ali also has almost as many good wins as Louis, so when combined with the great ones he has that Louis lacks. And as far as skills and talent goes, Ali beats him.

        Johnson P4P was better at what? His best wins aren't better than Ali's, his quality wins don't out shine Ali's either.
        Johnson wasn't really a Heavyweight is the point. Prime Ali had 25 lbs on a prime Johnson. Yet big powerful guys like Sam McVea, the Mike Tyson of his day, were no problem for Johnson.

        And resumes are more than just BEST wins, all wins count. Ali is very top heavy, but lacks the depth of Louis. It's not close either:

        Louis
        Charley Massera
        Lee Ramage (x2)
        Patsy Perroni
        Don “Red” Barry
        Natie Brown
        Roy Lazer
        Primo Carnera
        King Levinsky
        Max Baer
        Paulino Uzcudun
        Charley Retzlaff
        Jack Sharkey
        Al Ettore
        Bob Pastor (x2)
        Jim Braddock
        Tommy Farr
        Nathan Mann
        Max Schmeling
        John Henry Louis *Light Heavyweight Champion
        “Two Ton” Toney Galento
        Arturo Godoy (x2)
        Johnny Paycheck
        Red Burman
        Gus Dorazio
        Abe Simon (x2)
        Tony Musto
        Buddy Baer (x2)
        Billy Conn (x2) *Light Heavyweight Champion
        Lou Nova
        Tami Mauriello
        Jersey Joe Walcott (x2)
        Lee Savold
        Jimmy Bivins

        33 respectable opponents.

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        Ali
        Doug Jones
        Henry Cooper (x2)
        Sonny Liston (x2)
        Floyd Patterson (x2) <1st fight Past his prime> <2nd fight Over the hill>
        George Chuvalo (x2) <2nd fight Over the hill>
        Brian London
        Karl Mildenberger
        Cleveland Williams
        Ernie Terrell
        Zora Folley
        Jerry Quarry (x2)
        Oscar “Ringo” Bonavena
        Jimmy Ellis
        Buster Mathis
        Joe Bugner (x2)
        Ken Norton (x2)
        Joe Frazier (x2)
        George Foreman
        Ron Lyle
        Jimmy Young
        Earnie Shavers
        Leon Spinks

        22 respectable opponents.

        Like I said, not close. I also take into account the way the two fighters beat their opponents. Louis ran his over. Ali simply out lasted a lot of his. Most guys died of exhaustion before getting taken out by Ali. Then theirs the streak. Louis 25 defenses cannot be over looked.

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          #184
          Originally posted by donkim
          Not to mention one of his greatest victories was a clear gift of a decision.
          How do you call it a clear gift, if you can name more than 4 rounds Leonard won i'll be very suprised.

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            #185
            Originally posted by GJC
            How do you call it a clear gift, if you can name more than 4 rounds Leonard won i'll be very suprised.
            He was prolly talking about the Barkley fight, but come now, Leonard won more than 4 rounds in the first Duran fight. Duran gave the last 2 away for free for god's sake. You're telling me Leonard only won 2 of the first 13 rounds?

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              #186
              Originally posted by Obama
              Muhammad Ali should be the first that comes to anyone's mind. He's actually considered the greatest by many. And they're not just talking about Heavyweights.
              HAHHAAHHAHA.......who is this clown?....Muhammad Ali is universally recognised as the Greatest Heavyweight ever....FACT

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                #187
                Originally posted by The Stone Roses
                HAHHAAHHAHA.......who is this clown?....Muhammad Ali is universally recognised as the Greatest Heavyweight ever....FACT
                Learn how to read please.

                "And they're not just talking about Heavyweights"

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                  #188
                  Originally posted by Dondi33O
                  Naseem Hamed
                  Joe Calaghe
                  Rocky Marciano
                  Julio Cesar Chavez Sr and Jr
                  Just to name a few.
                  Bull ShlT

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                    #189
                    Originally posted by Obama
                    Muhammad Ali should be the first that comes to anyone's mind. He's actually considered the greatest by many. And they're not just talking about Heavyweights.
                    true i would say he's overrated as well, but thats do to ignorance

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                      #190
                      Originally posted by Obama
                      Louis 25 defenses cannot be over looked.
                      When you take into consideration the lack of pulse shown in many of Louis's opponents,then yes,it can be over looked.Do you recognize Joe Calzaghe as a true great?

                      Ali has the better good wins and he has the better great wins and more of them.





                      Originally posted by GJC
                      How do you call it a clear gift, if you can name more than 4 rounds Leonard won i'll be very suprised.

                      I said "one of" his greatest victories,not his greatest victory.I don't dispute the result of the first Leonard-Duran fight,as overrated and messy as that fight was.

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