Marciano considered a heavy hitter?

[JAB5239]

I ask this,why do you insist on making yourself look like a prat? Liston beat Machen four years before Floyd had fought him.Considering how much you frequent Boxrec,I would have assumed that you would have known this already.

Cleveland Williams,Zora Folley,Floyd Patterson,Eddie Machen were all top heavyweights with a working pulse when they fought Liston.Can you say the same for Rocky Marciano's resume?

Don't try and cut down Sonny Liston's resume and accomplishment,it's quite clear you know nothing about the man,the fighter and legacy of this legitimate all time great.

Maybe you should run to the good karma thread and beg for green. Completely red after 13 posts? Bwaaahhaahaahhaa!!!!!!!

[StarshipTrooper]

Maybe you should run to the good karma thread and beg for green. Completely red after 13 posts? Bwaaahhaahaahhaa!!!!!!!

Damn straight! I smacked him with red the moment he slithered back out from under his rock.

Poet

[sleazyfellow]

Damn straight! I smacked him with red the moment he slithered back out from under his rock.

Poet

I havent hit him yet, I wont bother to do it again, since he comes right back.

On topic though, yes, marciano was a hard hitter, but as a puncher he did little to set up punches, he just wore his opponents down with a volume of hard shots. Frazier did the same, but he did better at setting up his punches.

[The Iron Man]

He was knocking people the **** out, thats why he is considerd as a heavy hitter!!

[mickey malone]

I ask this,why do you insist on making yourself look like a prat? Liston beat Machen four years before Floyd had fought him.Considering how much you frequent Boxrec,I would have assumed that you would have known this already.

Cleveland Williams,Zora Folley,Floyd Patterson,Eddie Machen were all top heavyweights with a working pulse when they fought Liston.Can you say the same for Rocky Marciano's resume?

Don't try and cut down Sonny Liston's resume and accomplishment,it's quite clear you know nothing about the man,the fighter and legacy of this legitimate all time great.

Big deal.. I made a mistake with regard to Patterson Vs Machen which prooves that I haven't got my head burried in Boxrec.. But the facts remain the same, Williams, Folley & Machen were all fairly mediocre contenders.. Liston never fought a Lyle, Quarry or Shavers did he?..

Williams was known to be chinny, Folley had built up a 50 something record on bums, and prior to Liston, was beaten by the limited Henry Cooper.. Machen lacked power, & was never going to trouble someone like Liston..

Liston's resume as champ amounted to two 1 round KO's of the much smaller and weaker chinned Patterson, and after Clay, he lost to Leotis Martin & beat Chuck Wepner..
Sonny had a good resume, but nothing great, and in my opinion, would not be able to thwart a prime and rampaging Marciano..

[Benny Leonard]

He was knocking people the **** out, thats why he is considerd as a heavy hitter!!

Short and to the point

[JAB5239]

Big deal.. I made a mistake with regard to Patterson Vs Machen which prooves that I haven't got my head burried in Boxrec.. But the facts remain the same, Williams, Folley & Machen were all fairly mediocre contenders.. Liston never fought a Lyle, Quarry or Shavers did he?..

Williams was known to be chinny, Folley had built up a 50 something record on bums, and prior to Liston, was beaten by the limited Henry Cooper.. Machen lacked power, & was never going to trouble someone like Liston..

Liston's resume as champ amounted to two 1 round KO's of the much smaller and weaker chinned Patterson, and after Clay, he lost to Leotis Martin & beat Chuck Wepner..
Sonny had a good resume, but nothing great, and in my opinion, would not be able to thwart a prime and rampaging Marciano..

Liston ducked Mac Foster.

[masta]

Rocky would always try to go for a knockout but before that would happen he would wear his opponent down. Sometimes he would hurt his opponents arm so badly that they couldn't punch or defend themselves for the rest of the fight.

Rocky also had that one punch knockout power. Just look at what he did to Walcott in their first fight. And 43 knockouts in 49 fights is amazing.

[TheGreatA]

Big deal.. I made a mistake with regard to Patterson Vs Machen which prooves that I haven't got my head burried in Boxrec.. But the facts remain the same, Williams, Folley & Machen were all fairly mediocre contenders.. Liston never fought a Lyle, Quarry or Shavers did he?..

Williams was known to be chinny, Folley had built up a 50 something record on bums, and prior to Liston, was beaten by the limited Henry Cooper.. Machen lacked power, & was never going to trouble someone like Liston..

Liston's resume as champ amounted to two 1 round KO's of the much smaller and weaker chinned Patterson, and after Clay, he lost to Leotis Martin & beat Chuck Wepner..
Sonny had a good resume, but nothing great, and in my opinion, would not be able to thwart a prime and rampaging Marciano..

I'm not so sure about Williams, Folley, Machen being "mediocre" compared to Lyle, Shavers & Quarry. In fact I think the latter get overrated while the former get underrated.

Machen early on was a puncher, until running into the fists of Ingemar Johansson. From then on he became a defensive specialist. Even at an old age he was good enough to beat a younger, undefeated Jerry Quarry.

His undefeated run before losing to Johansson was very impressive in my opinion, with wins over contenders Nino Valdes, Hurricane Jackson, Bob Baker, Johnny Summerlin, Joey Maxim, John Holman and a draw with Folley.

Folley was one of the best textbook boxers at the time, and avoided by all young contenders. If not for a suspect chin, he could have been a champ. The first Cooper fight was a bit of a hometown decision in my opinion, and he went onto destroy Cooper in a rematch.

During his 17 year career he scored wins over Eddie Machen, Oscar Bonavena, George Chuvalo, Nino Valdes, Wayne Bethea Doug Jones, Bob Foster, Bob Cleroux, Mike DeJohn, Henry Cooper, Henry Clark... That's a very solid list of contenders.

Cleveland Williams was the big puncher of his time. He was avoided and didn't get too many fights but he did KO Ernie Terrell, the only time Terrell was KO'd aside from his very last fight. Most observers thought he had the better of Machen and Terrell in the rematch but he didn't receive the decision. He was about to fight Terrell again for the WBA version of the heavyweight title, until being shot by a police officer and nearly dying. He was never the same after that.

On film it's clear that he had awesome speed and power and he also had no stamina problems, unlike a certain Earnie Shavers.

Lyle, Quarry and Shavers were a solid bunch of contenders but they get overrated due to their association with Ali.

[Princemanspopa]

Malone is clearly trolling at this point and has been doing so or quite a while now.I assume he thinks this is the only way to counter my arguments,trolling the troll(even though I am clearly not a troll).

It doesn't work Malone,simple facts are easy to check up on and you made a ****** claim and it turned out to be completely off the mark and not even close.

You still haven't explained how Rocky Marciano has a greater resume than Charles "Sonny" Liston


And in response to TheGreatA,you claim that Lyle, Quarry and Shavers are overrated "due to their association with Ali",well can you now finally admit that Joe frazier is also overrated due to his association with Ali?

Maybe you should run to the good karma thread and beg for green. Completely red after 13 posts? Bwaaahhaahaahhaa!!!!!!!

You really need to get over me Gabby.I know you are still hurting like a victim of a verbal raping but like I already told you,it's getting very worrying now.I really do hope that Poet hasn't made that much of an impression on you.