Could today's fighters adapt?

[Bundana]

If you dropped them in as they are right now, they get slaughtered by those eras.

you canât put a guy who fights 2 easy fights a year in with a guy who in some cases is fighting 45 times in a single year, and has had 3 âtuneupâ fights just to prepare for you. They are much more violent too, gouging, lacing, low blows, elbows, butting - and a lot more lenient referees.

I think we already knows by now itâs just the film quality that is making past eras move the way they do, but with AI we are seeing a clearer picture.

I think in some cases a fighter today might actually **** themselves standing in front of a guy like Robinson, Greb or Marciano. These are bad mfkers. I donât think we can fully appreciate the violence and punishment these type of men could bring. When you fight 45 times a year like Greb did, you are looking right through your opponent. You have no nerves. A guy like Devin Haney is gonna be terrified. A fighter like Marciano has absolutely no fear getting into the ring, in fact you can even see a sickish grin on his face sometimes, showing the joy he had in the gladiatorial ring (this type of thing canât be faked, due to someones nerves usually stopping them). Marciano loved fighting. Robinson, extremely talented. Hidden beneath his super slick never replicated style was a certified killer. And thats reality. R.i.p Jimmy Doyle. And if you think Marciano wasnât trying to kill Ezzard Charles you would be fooling yourself.

How many unverifiable "truths"/downright lies is it possible to cram into one short post?

Today's fighters would be slaughtered if dropped into another era... no way you, or anyone else, can possibly know that.

Some of today's boxers may actually **** themselves, if standing in front og a real oldtime ATG... In all of boxing history, how many verified cases do we have of boxers actually soiling their pants, when facing a dangerous opponent?

Greb could look right through an opponent... well, obviously he couldn't, so WTF!

Devin Haney would be terrified, if standing in front of past ATGs... how do you know that? Or is it something you simply assume, because he's a modern sissy?

Robinson was a certified killer... no, he wasn't really a certified anything! At least not any more than guys like Emile Griffith, Sugar Ramos, Ray Mancini and hundreds of other boxers throughout history.

Marciano wanted to kill Ezzard Charles... was he really so evil, that he actually wanted to see Ezzard die in the ring? Somehow I doubt that!

[Ivich]

wait a minute, so Moore was a bigger man in certain fights? Perhaps thats why he lost? Lol he didnâÂÂt weigh enough!

Marciano beat Charles so badly he was never the same. The rematch would prove this. But you arenât able to recognize a certified beating

Your statement was that ;
"Moore got himself in tremendous shape for the match - and was always in shape in general."

Records of his weight in fights and film of some of his fights prove emphatically this was not always the case.

Moore got himself into the best shape he could for a man who was 41 years old. Charles was not the same fighter in the second fight and I never implied he was.
You aren't able to read and digest what is written.

****ell
Layne
Lastarza2
Charles
Were not the same fighters after facing Marciano.I've stated this on several boxing forums.

****ell was never that good to begin with.

Layne was weak in the midsection.

Lastarza really did not deserve a title shot and was a blatantly protected fighter.

Charles was shop worn and better at light heavy.

Moore went into the heavyweight division in his late years for dough,he had not made big money ,nor fought in the larger arenas in his more youthful years.

What you are incapable of of asking yourself is why he added weight to fight Marciano when he had defended his LHVY title against Olson in his previous fight?
You will never address this question because you know the answer absolutely destroys your flawed logic.
Oh and Moore won 50 fights weighing 180lbs or more and lost just a handful competing against heavies carrying the extra weight.

Moore defended his lhvy title at the age of 48 ,7 years after losing to Marciano!

[Ivich]

How many unverifiable "truths"/downright lies is it possible to cram into one short post?

Today's fighters would be slaughtered if dropped into another era... no way you, or anyone else, can possibly know that.

Some of today's boxers may actually **** themselves, if standing in front og a real oldtime ATG... In all of boxing history, how many verified cases do we have of boxers actually soiling their pants, when facing a dangerous opponent?

Greb could look right through an opponent... well, obviously he couldn't, so WTF!

Devin Haney would be terrified, if standing in front of past ATGs... how do you know that? Or is it something you simply assume, because he's a modern sissy?

Robinson was a certified killer... no, he wasn't really a certified anything! At least not any more than guys like Emile Griffith, Sugar Ramos, Ray Mancini and hundreds of other boxers throughout history.

Marciano wanted to kill Ezzard Charles... was he really so evil, that he actually wanted to see Ezzard die in the ring? Somehow I doubt that!

Marciano stated several times that he never wanted to inflict lasting damage on anyone.The first verified occasion was after the Vingo fight.

What you and I are dealing with here is a rabid fanboy who is deaf to all primary sources that contradict his wildly hyperbolic hero worship.

[Bundana]

Marciano stated several times that he never wanted to inflict lasting damage on anyone.The first verified occasion was after the Vingo fight.

What you and I are dealing with here is a rabid fanboy who is deaf to all primary sources that contradict his wildly hyperbolic hero worship.

Sometimes I wonder, if it's all just a joke... that he may actually be laughing his *** off, when he gets us to respond to the most outlandish claims. Stuff that no sane person can possibly believe to be true!

[them_apples]

Sometimes I wonder, if it's all just a joke... that he may actually be laughing his *** off, when he gets us to respond to the most outlandish claims. Stuff that no sane person can possibly believe to be true!

I am not joking but I am partly agitating by exaggerating yes.

but my main points I believe to be true.

I don’t know and couldn’t know what Robinson and Marciano thought, but you can certainly see the way they fight the brutal intentions behind the way they punch. I often saw Marciano deliberately punch fighters in the back of the head if they exposed themself in such a way like bending down. This isn’t by accident. When you hit someone in the back of the head that hard you can kill or maim them and yes he knew this. In his book he is quoted recognizing his ability to disable or kill someone after a fight he had at an ice rink leaving a man twitching unconscious on the ice (the man picked a fight with his friend). His mother found out and thats when she realized her son could seriously hurt someone and would pray for both her son and the oponents . This is from John Camerons book.

so while I admit to exaggerate things to agitate, my points are not totally absurd like you claim.

[Ivich]

I am not joking but I am partly agitating by exaggerating yes.

but my main points I believe to be true.

I donâÂÂt know and couldnâÂÂt know what Robinson and Marciano thought, but you can certainly see the way they fight the brutal intentions behind the way they punch. I often saw Marciano deliberately punch fighters in the back of the head if they exposed themself in such a way like bending down. This isnâÂÂt by accident. When you hit someone in the back of the head that hard you can kill or maim them and yes he knew this. In his book he is quoted recognizing his ability to disable or kill someone after a fight he had at an ice rink leaving a man twitching unconscious on the ice (the man picked a fight with his friend). His mother found out and thats when she realized her son could seriously hurt someone and would pray for both her son and the oponents . This is from John Camerons book.

so while I admit to exaggerate things to agitate, my points are not totally absurd like you claim.

Marciano was not only a dirty fighter ,he was very often inaccurate with his punches.

[Ivich]

You have to remember, most of the knuckle-dragging **********s (and this site is full of them) have difficulty with reading comprehension on a good day. You may have to **** & Jane your sentences to keep it at their literacy level.

Dr Z is virtually illiterate.

[Bundana]

I am not joking but I am partly agitating by exaggerating yes.

but my main points I believe to be true.

I donâÂÂt know and couldnâÂÂt know what Robinson and Marciano thought, but you can certainly see the way they fight the brutal intentions behind the way they punch. I often saw Marciano deliberately punch fighters in the back of the head if they exposed themself in such a way like bending down. This isnâÂÂt by accident. When you hit someone in the back of the head that hard you can kill or maim them and yes he knew this. In his book he is quoted recognizing his ability to disable or kill someone after a fight he had at an ice rink leaving a man twitching unconscious on the ice (the man picked a fight with his friend). His mother found out and thats when she realized her son could seriously hurt someone and would pray for both her son and the oponents . This is from John Camerons book.

so while I admit to exaggerate things to agitate, my points are not totally absurd like you claim.

Fair enough!

Good to hear, that you're not really that serious, about all those ridiculous claims of yours! I was beginning to think, that you may be mentally ill - so I'm happy to hear, that this is not the case, and that you're just having fun playing this whacky character, in an attempt to drum up some debate. Nothing wrong with that, as long as we all know, that you're not actually insane... but just pretending to be!

[Ivich]

marciano I believe came in at 179 for one of his fights.

either way, crazy how 5 lbs means so much to you. Everything else gets thrown out the window. Charles hardly looked smaller than Rocky. Nobody in their right mind would think Marciano won because of size. Absurd idea

Foreman was 235 in the ams, 217 in the pros??

also how old were Archie and Charles?

The difference is obvious, Marciano was a natural 1950's heavyweight who never fought as a light heavy

Neither Moore or Charles were.

Nor were Lowry,Mathews, or ****ell.
Nowhere have I said Marciano won because he had a size advantage

On that note it should be still recognized he beat the following light heavies.
Haft
Jefferson
Ross
Edwards
Bilazarian
All of whom scaled inside the LHVY limit .


Walcott 38.

Moore 41

Louis 37

Walcott 38

Charles 33 with nearly a hundred fights on his clock.

Savold 36

Schkor 37