Joe Louis vs the champions

[Dr. Z]

All fights are 15 rounds with 6oz gloves used in Louis day. All fights are each fighter at their respective best.

Louis vs Sullivan - Joe by mis rounds knockout. Sullivan never saw a fighter that could put punches together like Louis.

Louis vs Corbett - Corbett is slick, but not good enough for Louis. Joe presses the action and wins a unanimous decision.

Louis vs Fitzsimmons - Jow by knockout, but not before tasting the canvas.

Louis vs Jeffries - louis tears Jeff up on the
inside with better combination punching. This is easily Joes hardest fight to date.

Louis vs Hart - Joe by 3rd round ko. Marvin to brave for his own good.

Louis vs Burns - same prefiction and reason as the Hart fight.

Louis vs Johnson - Very tough fight, but like the Jeffries fight Louis chops big jack down on the inside. Johnson has his moments but loses a decision.

Louis vs Willard - Timber!! Joe doesnt do it as fast as Dempsey, but it would be nearly as brutal. Joe by ko.

Louis vs Dempsey - as much as it pains me to say it, I think Dempsey hurts him early. Joe hangs on for a bit but it's stopped in 5. Very bad styles matchup for Louis.

Louis vs Tunney - this is a tactical fight with Gene winning the early rounds but Louis applying pressure the whole time and landing the better punches. Louis by close decision.

Louis vs Schmeling - a rinse and repeat of their second fight with Max lasting a few more rounds but still taking a horrific pounding.

Louis vs Sharkey, Carnera, Baer, Braddock - See their respective fights, same results.

Louis vs Charles - Ezzard a great technician but Louis to much at his best. Close fight but a late stoppage for Louis.

Louis vs Walcott - mid round ko for Louis. Jersey Joe as frustrating as always, but gets caught trying to be cute against a prime Louis.

Louis vs Marciano - I think Louis batters the rock after taking the canvas. Joe stops the rock on cuts.

Louis vs Patterson - Floyd is fast but he can't hold Joe off and is stopped in 4.

Louis vs Liston - Joe's better speed and combination punching give him the win when the Liston camp throws the towel in after 11 rounds.

Louis vs Ali - I've gone back and forth on this fight SO many times. Tonight I feel like Ali stops Joe in 7. Ali was a big guy, superfast, and could punch better than he is given credit for.

Louis vs Frazier - Frazier walks right into Louis power and pinpoint accuracy. Louis stops him in 3.

Louis vs Foreman - another fight I go back and forth on. Foreman by stoppage. He hurts Joe early and never let's him off the hook.

Louis Vs Leon Spinks - early knockout for Joe.

Louis vs Norton - Kenny keeps it close but his chin betrays him midrounds and gets stopped.

Louis vs Holmes - Holmes by decision in a fight reminiscent of his fight with Norton. Both are down in this fight but Holmes squeeze by for a split decision.

Louis vs Micheal Spinks - Spinks herky Jjerky style is problematic until Hoe figures him out and stops him in 7.

Louis vs Tyson - same result as the Dempsey fight.

Louis vs Douglas - long night for Joe here but he lands the better punches and more frequently pulling a UD.

Louis vs Holyfield - Holyfield goes to war but it proves to be his downfall. I like Louis by late stoppage.

Louis vs Bowe - at his best this is a nightmare matchup for Louis. I think he is more accurate and determined though. Joe by decision.

Louis vs Moorer - Louis by ko. Moorer chin never stood up against a great puncher.

Louis vs Lewis - I like Lennox in this fight. At his best he is almost as technically good as Joe and bigger. Lewis by late stoppage.

Louis vs Wlad - Wlad is a very technically sound fighter as well, but his chin isn't holding up. He'll clinch and make it boring trying to wear Louis down but Joe hammers away until he gets the stoppage.

Louis vs Fury - my heart says Louis, but Fury has proven you can't count him out. He's big, fast for his size and awkward. I think Joe beats him, but it's an ugly fight and goes the distance.


This was just an exercise in fun. You don't have to agree with any of it, and I'd probably change some things if I thought more deeply about them. But I put this together in about 15 minutes on a whim.

Well, I might as well participate since I think Louis is vastly overrated in a head to head sense. Much depends on the rules and distance.


vs Sullivan. Early Ko for Joe as Sully's opposition was very weak, even in his time and Sully did not train and had no real boxing skills. He was only a puncher. A pioneer.

Vs Corbett. I will give Corbett very good chance in the 10 round or less fight to win. Corbetts quickness, footwork, and hand speed were top notch. 12 rounds or more I favor Louis.

Vs Fitz.. Joe via KO is my call, though Fitz may knock Louis down and even out.

Vs Jeffries. Jeffries via KO late. The more that quickness is enough to land on Louis spotty defense and certainly is durable and hits hard. Louis never beat one like him.

Vs Hart. Louis via mid round KO is how I see things. Hart is fairly game and durable.

Vs Burns. Early KO for Joe. Burns is too small.

Vs Johnson. It depends on the ref and the length of the fight. Johnson could out box and out clinch Louis who was easy to tie up. So I go with Johnson via decision in 10 rounds or less and Louis over 10 rounds.

Next Willard. Louis via mid round KO. Willard had a bad defense and limited skills


Later vs Dempsey and beyond.

[them_apples]

All fights are 15 rounds with 6oz gloves used in Louis day. All fights are each fighter at their respective best.

Louis vs Sullivan - Joe by mis rounds knockout. Sullivan never saw a fighter that could put punches together like Louis.

Louis vs Corbett - Corbett is slick, but not good enough for Louis. Joe presses the action and wins a unanimous decision.

Louis vs Fitzsimmons - Jow by knockout, but not before tasting the canvas.

Louis vs Jeffries - louis tears Jeff up on the
inside with better combination punching. This is easily Joes hardest fight to date.

Louis vs Hart - Joe by 3rd round ko. Marvin to brave for his own good.

Louis vs Burns - same prefiction and reason as the Hart fight.

Louis vs Johnson - Very tough fight, but like the Jeffries fight Louis chops big jack down on the inside. Johnson has his moments but loses a decision.

Louis vs Willard - Timber!! Joe doesnt do it as fast as Dempsey, but it would be nearly as brutal. Joe by ko.

Louis vs Dempsey - as much as it pains me to say it, I think Dempsey hurts him early. Joe hangs on for a bit but it's stopped in 5. Very bad styles matchup for Louis.

Louis vs Tunney - this is a tactical fight with Gene winning the early rounds but Louis applying pressure the whole time and landing the better punches. Louis by close decision.

Louis vs Schmeling - a rinse and repeat of their second fight with Max lasting a few more rounds but still taking a horrific pounding.

Louis vs Sharkey, Carnera, Baer, Braddock - See their respective fights, same results.

Louis vs Charles - Ezzard a great technician but Louis to much at his best. Close fight but a late stoppage for Louis.

Louis vs Walcott - mid round ko for Louis. Jersey Joe as frustrating as always, but gets caught trying to be cute against a prime Louis.

Louis vs Marciano - I think Louis batters the rock after taking the canvas. Joe stops the rock on cuts.

Louis vs Patterson - Floyd is fast but he can't hold Joe off and is stopped in 4.

Louis vs Liston - Joe's better speed and combination punching give him the win when the Liston camp throws the towel in after 11 rounds.

Louis vs Ali - I've gone back and forth on this fight SO many times. Tonight I feel like Ali stops Joe in 7. Ali was a big guy, superfast, and could punch better than he is given credit for.

Louis vs Frazier - Frazier walks right into Louis power and pinpoint accuracy. Louis stops him in 3.

Louis vs Foreman - another fight I go back and forth on. Foreman by stoppage. He hurts Joe early and never let's him off the hook.

Louis Vs Leon Spinks - early knockout for Joe.

Louis vs Norton - Kenny keeps it close but his chin betrays him midrounds and gets stopped.

Louis vs Holmes - Holmes by decision in a fight reminiscent of his fight with Norton. Both are down in this fight but Holmes squeeze by for a split decision.

Louis vs Micheal Spinks - Spinks herky Jjerky style is problematic until Hoe figures him out and stops him in 7.

Louis vs Tyson - same result as the Dempsey fight.

Louis vs Douglas - long night for Joe here but he lands the better punches and more frequently pulling a UD.

Louis vs Holyfield - Holyfield goes to war but it proves to be his downfall. I like Louis by late stoppage.

Louis vs Bowe - at his best this is a nightmare matchup for Louis. I think he is more accurate and determined though. Joe by decision.

Louis vs Moorer - Louis by ko. Moorer chin never stood up against a great puncher.

Louis vs Lewis - I like Lennox in this fight. At his best he is almost as technically good as Joe and bigger. Lewis by late stoppage.

Louis vs Wlad - Wlad is a very technically sound fighter as well, but his chin isn't holding up. He'll clinch and make it boring trying to wear Louis down but Joe hammers away until he gets the stoppage.

Louis vs Fury - my heart says Louis, but Fury has proven you can't count him out. He's big, fast for his size and awkward. I think Joe beats him, but it's an ugly fight and goes the distance.


This was just an exercise in fun. You don't have to agree with any of it, and I'd probably change some things if I thought more deeply about them. But I put this together in about 15 minutes on a whim.

I got Louis making easy work of Fury, wlad and Lewis. Louis is a surgeon and quite fast in his prime. These guys are bug targets and Louis loved big targets. All 3 of these guys have suspect chins. Louis definitely hits hard enough to spark them out cold. Fury went down from cunningham, wlad was koed by Brewster and Lewis koed by mcall. Not to mention all of these guys weren’t big heavies at all. Brewster and cunningham could have been light heavyweights.

he finds their chins. Holyfield found Lewis chin he just couldn’t land hard enough, and the 99 version of Holyfield is shopworn.

I do agree that Tysons style will be tough for Louis, and believe it or not, Patterson too. Only because they will jump on him fast and get very close to him. Louis does well if you he has room to time you. Thats why he destroys big guys so bad. His ultimate talent is the heat seeking missles he launches. I will always give Louis the chance as hes very well rounded and I believe a much mentally stronger fighter than Tyson. I think after Louis gets dropped or punched around a bit early, he starts connecting with some hard ounches. And by round 8-9 Louis sets him up and knocks him out. Hell do the same thing to Patterson its just a matter of when. Pattersons speed and small size may make it difficult to home in on early, or perhaps he lands early and it’s over.

Louis doesn’t really have any glaring flaws. In his prime his style is very versatile. Louis even had solid infighting skills.

Louis’ legendary blackburn stance offers little to no opportunities to hit as long as he keeps the angle facing his opponent. This is why he “shufflesâ€à ‚ and pivots in his back foot. Shuffling also keeps your feet close to the ground so you are set to punch. Its a game of inches.

Louis has perfect balance and understands leverage as well as Marciano. His shots are highly leveraged lazers. A combination of speed and power landing accurately in vulnerable areas. He was a dynamic puncher.

it’s important to understand his personality as well. As this effects a fighters temperament in the ring. Louis was an all around nice guy, but make no mistake he had a mean streak, and was known to have a bad temper. I suspect this comes out in his fights and punching style. But even as a youth it has been said if you made him mad he really would lose it.

Louis has from my personal estimation, the best jab at heavyweight over all. Other fighters had great jabs, perhaps better in some areas - since the jab has many uses. However Louis had a perfect jab. It was snappy, sharp and had no tell whatsoever. Very few could escape his jab. It was also sharp enough to cut you up. While Liston and Foreman had heavier jabs, and Ali had a faster jab - Louis’ jab had both speed power and technique in the sense his jab was very hard to see coming.

I believe Liston gives Louis the most trouble and maybe even beats him. Liston is a well schooled boxer, and he’s a bit shorter than Joe but has a much longer reach and a heavier jab. So by this alone you can see where Liston is going to be a tough nut to crack. Hell trade jabs with Liston and struggle to find the range he wants. Liston is also strong himself and can push Louis around as well as take punishment. Lastly, they knew eachother. And in this the psychological aspect may now diminish evening the playing field. Liston also hits very hard and can hurt Louis.

I think Louis fares much better against Foreman. Who is more open than Liston and I don’t believe his mummy style will work well vs Louis style. They would trade jabs again, and Foremans will be heavier, but Louis will time him and start landing very hard and accurately, possibly knocking George out Or stopping him. Yes I know George was only stopped by Ali. Louis could too.

Louis vs Ali is a very hard one to decide and I want to clear any biases about this one out. I go back and forth trying to picture how their styles would line up. The competitiveness would be ferocious in this fight and you could see a real clash of egos here. In a situation like this its hard to gauge what will happen when effort is involved. I can see Louis catching Ali at some point and hurting him, I can see Louis jab cutting Ali up. At the same time I can see Alis mobility making Louis focus a lot on stalking him and perhaps run into counters from Ali. Louis would be on a heat seeking mission to catch Ali. I think gun to my head I’ll say Ali by a hair. This one I honestly have no idea though.