The Fight That Guaranteed A HOFer's Spot In The IBHOF

[Willie Pep 229]

The Pottawatomie Giant was just lucky. johnson let him win you must know that. still, you are known here as a stickler for the rules. he tried to stall all the fights for 3 years after rather than fight dempsey.

"Nine months later, however, Johnson dramatically changed his tune. On Jan. 2, 1916, Johnson, for a $250 fee paid by RING publisher Nat Fleischer, released a combination handwritten/typewritten confession that he threw the Willard fight in exchange for undisturbed re-entry into the United States and $50,000 in cash. Johnson said the original agreement was to have him end the fight in round 11 once his wife indicated the money was in hand. But when that round came and went, Johnson continued to fight and because he thought he was being double-crossed, he fought to win. Then, after the end of round 24, he said he saw his wife, Lucille Cameron Johnson, give the predetermined signal – one version was the wave of a white handkerchief while another was a nod of her head – and “I let the fight end as it did.”
even good man willie pep can't argue against this evidence for sure!
To quote you queeny "what grade you being held back this year, stop eating ungutted snails!

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If this is true, why then did JJ not return to the USA until 1920 and serve one year imprisonment?

If he had such a deal, how come he never complained about the USA backing out of the deal when they placed him in prison?

If you want to argue he threw the fight for cash that is one thing, but any argument that he made a deal for reentry does not hold water.

Certainly JJ would have howled mightly about being lied to about the undisturbed reentry if the government had screwed him. He didn't. He did his time.

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- - JJ was arrested when he crossed the border and sentenced to a year at Leavenworth, so he was hardly undisturbed.

He didn't have to beat up Willard for 25 rounds to throw a fight. In fact, guaranteed he bet on hisself because Willard was so poorly regarded.

Nor did he have to get KOed Cold, lifeless for several minutes to throw the fight, but after losing his wad he sure needed $$$ and Nat was an easy mark and folks in the US bought his lie because fightfilms in the US had been banned so no citizens could see the great Jack Johnson dead cold on the canvas.

not like you to be well informed queeny!

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Re bold:

If this is true, why then did JJ not return to the USA until 1920 and serve one year imprisonment?

If he had such a deal, how come he never complained about the USA backing out of the deal when they placed him in prison?

If you want to argue he threw the fight for cash that is one thing, but any argument that he made a deal for reentry does not hold water.

Certainly JJ would have howled mightly about being lied to about the undisturbed reentry if the government had screwed him. He didn't. He did his time.

i'll get one past you one day willie!!

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- - JJ was arrested when he crossed the border and sentenced to a year at Leavenworth, so he was hardly undisturbed.

He didn't have to beat up Willard for 25 rounds to throw a fight. In fact, guaranteed he bet on hisself because Willard was so poorly regarded.

Nor did he have to get KOed Cold, lifeless for several minutes to throw the fight, but after losing his wad he sure needed $$$ and Nat was an easy mark and folks in the US bought his lie because fightfilms in the US had been banned so no citizens could see the great Jack Johnson dead cold on the canvas.

what relish you putting on your hamburger queeny.
too many "wouldn't he" and "so it must be" and "he didn't need to. "
remember these guys fought for money. not for their love of the sport. it was so dangerous back then if you think ali had brain damage think what it was like back then.
skulduggery was in every pore and boxers were pretty much fighting for money and politics and the interests of hundreds of business men.
to get back to the thread question. frazier's win over ali in new york cemented his hof place even if he hadn't had the next two fights.
that win over ali after the huge anticipation of ali's comeback the NOI the vietnam draft the celebrity interest etc etc. that left hook in the last round what a moment. that alone made him a hof-er

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2E4tMCB70

[Willie Pep 229]

i'll get one past you one day willie!!

I'm sure you will.

But never try to use a Jack Johnson quote. That guy was a con-artist Donal Trump would admire.

Think about it, JJ was such a good manipulator that "the Negro" worked his way into a title shot in racist 1908. That is amazing.

But you can't trust that man to tell you the weather.

Actually he lied about that too. Lol

[Willie Pep 229]

what relish you putting on your hamburger queeny.
too many "wouldn't he" and "so it must be" and "he didn't need to. "
remember these guys fought for money. not for their love of the sport. it was so dangerous back then if you think ali had brain damage think what it was like back then.
skulduggery was in every pore and boxers were pretty much fighting for money and politics and the interests of hundreds of business men.
to get back to the thread question. frazier's win over ali in new york cemented his hof place even if he hadn't had the next two fights.
that win over ali after the huge anticipation of ali's comeback the NOI the vietnam draft the celebrity interest etc etc. that left hook in the last round what a moment. that alone made him a hof-er
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2E4tMCB70

Frazier is a shoo-in to the HOF after "The Fight."

No doubt!

What if Ali never comes back?

Where Ellis and Bonavena and Douglas and Quarry enough? I think so.

It seems all the lineal HW Champions got in unless there was controversy surrounding them, e.g. Carnera.

I'm not sure which of the above fights can be picked out as 'the moment' he made it in.

But I think he makes it in even without Ali; definitely after Ali-Frazier I