Did any fighter ever look more spectacular than Roy Jones Jr?

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Yes, that's all true. Joe was naturally better than Ray, didn't need peds or big artificial muscles, he was a natural born fighter. The media always cheated Joe out of his credit. He made Lacy look like nothing but Lacy was very highly regarded and a legit champ. But Joe made him look like nothing and instead of giving Joe his just due credit, they said Lacy was a bum. Then he beat Roy and Hopkins and the narrative there is they were both well past their prime when Joe picked to fight them. More BS. RJ looked better and had the media hype but Super Joe was actually better, his record speaks for itself. The boxing media has an agenda to favor black fighters over white fighters. Klitschkos didn't their just due credit for dominating either, the narrative to diminish the Ks was, "Oh, they just dominated a very weak era..." More BS because there is no such thing as a weak era, every era is tough. Just certain stars in certain eras get more hype and glory and have more charisma.

Calzaghe was also past his prime at 36 years old when he fought RJJ, who was 3 years older. And Bernard Hopkins was an anomaly when he was in his early 40's...he was still like a guy at least 10 years younger. Nobody aged as well as Hopkins.

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Most people in the USA didn't really get to know who Joe Calzaghe was until he fought Jeff Lacy. Calzaghe's attack was non-stop. Jones's speed was paced. I was a big fan of RJJ, so I'm not taking anything away from him, but he didn't have the energy that Calzaghe had, and would always have had a hard time against him. Joe Calzaghe being a Brit and retiring undefeated, is barely remembered in the USA.

Its not really surprising considering the 3 fights he's most remembered for to the avg US fan is probably beating the overhyped Lacy & getting dropped by old past prime legends in RJJ & Bhop before winning decisions vs them. Its hardly the resume of greatness. And honestly his UK resume isn't crazy good while being great for a UK guy. Its hard to give a guy a lot of credit for fights that didn't happen regardless if you think he would have won or not.

I would definitely say he's not a guy I'd ever think of for a thread like this. I've never thought of Joe as looking spectacular. He was busy. He had heart. He was good at a lot of things, but idk that I'd consider him spectacular in any aspect of his game let alone overall.

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Its not really surprising considering the 3 fights he's most remembered for to the avg US fan is probably beating the overhyped Lacy & getting dropped by old past prime legends in RJJ & Bhop before winning decisions vs them. Its hardly the resume of greatness. And honestly his UK resume isn't crazy good while being great for a UK guy. Its hard to give a guy a lot of credit for fights that didn't happen regardless if you think he would have won or not.

I would definitely say he's not a guy I'd ever think of for a thread like this. I've never thought of Joe as looking spectacular. He was busy. He had heart. He was good at a lot of things, but idk that I'd consider him spectacular in any aspect of his game let alone overall.

But if we're going to be honest...RJJ's resume minus James Toney who had let himself blow-up after the Prince Charles Williams fight and had to cut major weight for RJJ, and the greener version of Hopkins who would go one to get redemption later in his career was not a stellar resume to boast of. Most people in the US never heard of Chris Eubank when Calzaghe beat him and earned a title, but it was a really tough fight. Mikkel Kessler was better than most of RJJ's opponents, that RJJ didn't lose to...he lost to all the fighters who topped his resume aside from Toney and the lesser experienced Hopkins, and an undersized washed up Felix Trinidad. Was the win over Vinny Pazienza noteworthy after his a near-fatal car crash that fractured his neck? Young RJJ looked great against lesser opposition in spurts...albeit really good.

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But if we're going to be honest...RJJ's resume minus James Toney who had let himself blow-up after the Prince Charles Williams fight and had to cut major weight for RJJ, and the greener version of Hopkins who would go one to get redemption later in his career was not a stellar resume to boast of. Most people in the US never heard of Chris Eubank when Calzaghe beat him and earned a title, but it was a really tough fight. Mikkel Kessler was better than most of RJJ's opponents, that RJJ didn't lose to...he lost to all the fighters who topped his resume aside from Toney and the lesser experienced Hopkins. Young RJJ looked great against lesser opposition in spurts...albeit really good.

Dude beat 5 HOFers. 4 of them in a 5yr stretch (93-98, Bhop, Toney, Paz & Hill). Idk how many belt guys he beat, but I'd guess its over a dozen. If thats not a high level resume idk what is. How many guys from the 90's on beat 5 HOFers? I'd assume not a whole lot.

And more importantly he looked spectacular in this high level career which is what the OP is talking about more than resume. It just sells spectacularly better when its over quality opps.

Joe beat 2 HOFers, past prime & got dropped by both before W12ing them. Lets not even compare these two vs each other.

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Dude beat 5 HOFers. 4 of them in a 5yr stretch (93-98, Bhop, Toney, Paz & Hill). Idk how many belt guys he beat, but I'd guess its over a dozen. If thats not a high level resume idk what is. How many guys from the 90's on beat 5 HOFers? I'd assume not a whole lot.

And more importantly he looked spectacular in this high level career which is what the OP is talking about more than resume. It just sells spectacularly better when its over quality opps.

Joe beat 2 HOFers, past prime & got dropped by both before W12ing them. Lets not even compare these two vs each other.

Bhop matured late in life...got his redemption in a rematch. Toney was blown up huge and barely made weight. He already was on the slide big time for his previous fight with Charles Williams and was on his way to a one-sided lose to a guy a few fights shy of retirement, when miraculously, about mid-way through the final round, Toney lands a money shot and KO's his way out of a bad upset. He goes into a RJJ's fight next in even worse shape. Toney always had discipline problems. Paz broke his neck in a car accident that nearly killed him prior. He was not expected to ever fight again, and RJJ was gutted after beating him for that reason. This is a horrible mention because Paz had no business fighting. He wore a halo with four metal screws drilled into his forehead to support a breastplate and steel rod stabilizing his spine after the accident.

Joe got dropped by both Hopkins and RJJ, and went on to dominate big time...so what?

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Bhop matured late in life...got his redemption in a rematch. Toney was blown up huge and barely made weight. Paz broke his neck in a car accident that nearly killed him prior. He was not expected to ever fight again, and RJJ was gutted after beating him for that reason. This is a horrible mention.

Joe got dropped by both Hopkins and RJJ, and went on to dominate big time...so what?

I didn't say Bhop didn't get redemption. I said RJJ looked great beating 5 HOF guys & a dozen plus belt guys while Joe did fook all for most of his time til he beat some old legends looking like the better guy vs them but thats about it. And no doubt in my mind Bhop was better losing to RJJ than he did losing to Joe & Joe ass got dropped by old ass Bhop.

And again the main point is Joe never looked like any kind of phenomenon in the ring at his best like RJJ did in first gear vs better guys in their better years.

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I didn't say Bhop didn't get redemption. I said RJJ looked great beating 5 HOF guys & a dozen plus belt guys while Joe did fook all for most of his time til he beat some old legends looking like the better guy vs them but thats about it. And no doubt in my mind Bhop was better losing to RJJ than he did losing to Joe & Joe ass got dropped by old ass Bhop.

And again the main point is Joe never looked like any kind of phenomenon in the ring at his best like RJJ did in first gear vs better guys in their better years.

But look at the HOF's...(I edit my post after you responded)...Toney already was on the slide big time for his previous fight with Charles Williams and was on his way to a one-sided lose to a guy a few fights shy of retirement, when miraculously, about mid-way through the final round, Toney lands a money shot and KO's his way out of a bad upset. He goes into a RJJ's fight next in even worse shape. Toney always had discipline problems. That win made RJJ look great, but it was not the big win he got credit for. Paz was not expected to ever fight again, and RJJ was gutted after beating him for that reason. Paz had no business fighting. He wore a halo with four metal screws drilled into his forehead to support a breastplate and steel rod stabilizing his spine after the accident that was supposed to leave him paralyzed from a broken neck. Sorry, this was not a defining moment for RJJ beating Paz. Hopkins prime came considerably after the 1st RJJ fight. At the time, it was not really as big a win if it had happened when Hopkins came into his own.

Now with that being said...I'm a big RJJ fan, and always was. I even liked to watch him when he was...well...shot, and would still watch him today. But he really didn't do as much as people like to say he did, and I've always been aware of it. But he did have cat-like speed, and it was exciting to watch him use it.

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- - We need Scully to make Roy’s case.

In advance, prime Roy was ahead on the scorecards in every fight, usually by large margin.

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But look at the HOF's...(I edit my post after you responded)...Toney already was on the slide big time for his previous fight with Charles Williams and was on his way to a one-sided lose to a guy a few fights shy of retirement, when miraculously, about mid-way through the final round, Toney lands a money shot and KO's his way out of a bad upset. He goes into a RJJ's fight next in even worse shape. Toney always had discipline problems. That win made RJJ look great, but it was not the big win he got credit for. Paz was not expected to ever fight again, and RJJ was gutted after beating him for that reason. Paz had no business fighting. He wore a halo with four metal screws drilled into his forehead to support a breastplate and steel rod stabilizing his spine after the accident that was supposed to leave him paralyzed from a broken neck. Sorry, this was not a defining moment for RJJ beating Paz. Hopkins prime came considerably after the 1st RJJ fight. At the time, it was not really as big a win if it had happened when Hopkins came into his own.

Now with that being said...I'm a big RJJ fan, and always was. I even liked to watch him when he was...well...shot, and would still watch him today. But he really didn't do as much as people like to say he did, and I've always been aware of it. But he did have cat-like speed, and it was exciting to watch him use it.

If Toney was "on the slide big time" at 26 wtf was RJJ (39) & Bhop (43) on when Joe fought them? You can't have rules for thee, but not for me with this on a big slide sh^t. Toney went on to beat Jirov & Holyfield. And an elder Bhop almost beat Joe, RJJ beat a 28yr old Bhop. Ain't no way a prime late 20's, early 30's Bhop woulda lost to Joe. And again those 2 elder opp fights are Joe's signature W's. RJJ gots numerous signature wins among HOF guys & other belt guys.