Do Great Fighters Have A Harder Time Than Journeymen Retiring Permanently

[Slugfester]

Great fighters seem like the one category that most often unretires. Or do we just follow their movements more?

[Willie Pep 229]

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Quick guess. Now need to think about it.

Maybe Journeyman don't actually retire. Just one day it becomes their last fight. A few months later someone says "when you fighting again?"

Journeyman replies "I guess I m retired."

Three months later a promoter calls and offers him, his best purse in five years, and a plane ticket.

So he fights in Detroit.

Then he starts his retirement again.

I just talked myself into it.

They come out of retirement just like the great ones do, we just don't notice it.

Make a list of ten Journeymen, your call. I will look at the time spacing between their last five fights.

We might get a hint as to how common it is.

[Slugfester]

Follow more!

Quick guess. Now need to think about it.

Maybe Journeyman don't actually retire. Just one day it becomes their last fight. A few months later someone says "when you fighting again?"

Journeyman replies "I guess I m retired."

Three months later a promoter calls and offers him, his best purse in five years, and a plane ticket.

So he fights in Detroit.

Then he starts his retirement again.

I just talked myself into it.

They come out of retirement just like the great ones do, we just don't notice it.

Make a list of ten Journeymen, your call. I will look at the time spacing between their last five fights.

We might get a hint as to how common it is.

Yeah, I think you are right.

[Bundana]

Hmm... an interesting question.

One might think, that a former champ/great is missing the limelight so much, that after several years in retirement, he feels the urge to get in the ring again... whereas a retired journeyman probably isn't longing quite as much for the days, where he was being bashed about by superior fighters.

Whether this is true or not... I have no idea!

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't know who to call a journeyman but I assume everyone will accept Jesse Ferguson as an example.

Jesse Ferguson fought consistently with no time gap near the end. Then he quit. Never to unquit.

So score one for stating retired.

Someone name some other journeymen an lets see their behavior near the end.

No, it's not statical but can still shed some light.

[Bundana]

I don't know who to call a journeyman but I assume everyone will accept Jesse Ferguson as an example.

Jesse Ferguson fought consistently with no time gap near the end. Then he quit. Never to unquit.

So score one for stating retired.

Someone name some other journeymen an lets see their behavior near the end.

No, it's not statical but can still shed some light.

Depending on who you pick, you can get any result you want.

For example, I think we could put Lionel Butler in the journeyman category. He retired in 2003 - only to come back 6 years later for his final 3 fights. So that makes it one journeyman who quit, and never came back - and one journeyman who retired, but came back.

So what does this tell us in relation to the question posed by the OP? Absolutely nothing, of course!

[Willie Pep 229]

Depending on who you pick, you can get any result you want.

For example, I think we could put Lionel Butler in the journeyman category. He retired in 2003 - only to come back 6 years later for his final 3 fights. So that makes it one journeyman who quit, and never came back - and one journeyman who retired, but came back.

So what does this tell us in relation to the question posed by the OP? Absolutely nothing, of course!

Of course not.

Do you have no faith in 'randomness"?

Our government distributes Congressional representative seats based on the actual count of a census. This is via The Consitution's enumeration.

BUT

Appropriated monies are bssed on predictions made from random sampling. It is more accurate than the actual census count. This has been confirmed multiple times by the CBO.

Now I realize the census is an exception because of it size, but for you to take such extreme stand is incorrect. Random sampling has proven itself valuable.

Random sampling can often produce good results and in this case at least open the door for discussion.

So why are you shutting me down? Why not have some fun and explore the issue ourselves?

That's why I suggested people just throw out the name of a journeyman they know.

Certainly not a large or very random sampling, but also not the 'picking out' you allude to.

[max baer]

Follow more!

Quick guess. Now need to think about it.

Maybe Journeyman don't actually retire. Just one day it becomes their last fight. A few months later someone says "when you fighting again?"

Journeyman replies "I guess I m retired."

Three months later a promoter calls and offers him, his best purse in five years, and a plane ticket.

So he fights in Detroit.

Then he starts his retirement again.

I just talked myself into it.

They come out of retirement just like the great ones do, we just don't notice it.

Make a list of ten Journeymen, your call. I will look at the time spacing between their last five fights.

We might get a hint as to how common it is.

ah ha ha nothing gets past you willie! slug needs to try harder is willies teachers report.

[GhostofDempsey]

Great fighters often miss the limelight and attention (Mayweather) or have run through their money and need another fight (Hearns, Duran). Some fighters ego won't allow them to retire (Leonard, Pacquiao) thinking they can beat the young lion and regain their former glory. Journeymen usually just need the money.

[max baer]

Great fighters often miss the limelight and attention (Mayweather) or have run through their money and need another fight (Hearns, Duran). Some fighters ego won't allow them to retire (Leonard, Pacquiao) thinking they can beat the young lion and regain their former glory. Journeymen usually just need the money.

i completely agree. i recall a commentator saying he asked leonard why do boxers like you keep returning is it the fame, is it the money or is it the ego and leonard say "yes, all of those things"