The Long Count (Aftermath)

[Willie Pep 229]

I suspect had Dempsey wanted a rematch (trilogy) the long count controversy made it impossible for Tunney to say no.

Tunney would have gotten so much crap from the newspapers for refusing, his ego would never have tolerated it.

So I feel comfortable in assuming that it had to be Dempsey who said "No thanks."

I have never come across Dempsey saying categorically that he didn't want another go.

Has anyone run across Dempsey in anyway discussing a third match, pro or con?

[travestyny]

Didn't Tunney win both fights fairly easily besides that one knockdown (which I believe he could have gotten up from regardless of the long count). Why do it a third time?

[QueensburyRules]

Didn't Tunney win both fights fairly easily besides that one knockdown (which I believe he could have gotten up from regardless of the long count). Why do it a third time?

- - Was not an easy fight from the limited footage that survived Boxing's dereliction to their own history. I've never seen a cleaned up version of the fight, but the KD and count are very clear, enough that even a novice can go figure.

At the 10 count as properly recorded on tape, Tunney had just come to realize where he was, ie no where near UP and ready to fight.

[travestyny]

- - Was not an easy fight from the limited footage that survived Boxing's dereliction to their own history. I've never seen a cleaned up version of the fight, but the KD and count are very clear, enough that even a novice can go figure.

At the 10 count as properly recorded on tape, Tunney had just come to realize where he was, ie no where near UP and ready to fight.

Seems to me that he was aware of the count and simply waiting for the best time to rise.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Was not an easy fight from the limited footage that survived Boxing's dereliction to their own history. I've never seen a cleaned up version of the fight, but the KD and count are very clear, enough that even a novice can go figure.

At the 10 count as properly recorded on tape, Tunney had just come to realize where he was, ie no where near UP and ready to fight.

Ignore the Dempsey haters. Same old, same old.

Dempsey was totally outclassed in '26 but the '27 match was competitive enough.

Too many casuals on this forum get all wet between the legs over 10-9 rounds. They really don't understand what a prize fight is.

The KD alone and the controversy that followed would have made a third go another million dollar gate, easy. That's prize fighting.

Not these self proclaimed forum experts who think they decide who is and isn't worthy, with their 'insightful analysis.'

Ticket sales makes that decision. That's prize fighting.

Fans in the 1920s - 1940s didn't get all excited by 10-9 rounds. They wanted to see a conclusion. That's why there were so many rematches, sometimes five or six times.

It took SRR 60 plus round to prove his dominance over La Motta. Robinson had out pointed La Motta four times, yet in the minds of the fighters and the fans the issue wasn't settled until the 13th round on St. Valentine's Day.

Ignore these history lite weights they can't see into the past, they can't understand past.

Anyway, I still feel it had to be Dempsey who begged off.

That KD was so controversial it in itself was enough to pack another stadium.

[kara]

Every time I think of long count I think of Tyson-Douglas

[Ivich]

I suspect had Dempsey wanted a rematch (trilogy) the long count controversy made it impossible for Tunney to say no.

Tunney would have gotten so much crap from the newspapers for refusing, his ego would never have tolerated it.

So I feel comfortable in assuming that it had to be Dempsey who said "No thanks."

I have never come across Dempsey saying categorically that he didn't want another go.

Has anyone run across Dempsey in anyway discussing a third match, pro or con?

I've always read that is was Dempsey who refused a third fight whenever Rickard suggested it.If the fights had been longer than 10 rds its possible Tunney may have stopped Jack.

[Willie Pep 229]

I've always read that is was Dempsey who refused a third fight whenever Rickard suggested it.If the fights had been longer than 10 rds its possible Tunney may have stopped Jack.

Any source you can reference? Not a challenge. I just never ran across it either way.

[Ivich]

Any source you can reference? Not a challenge. I just never ran across it either way.

"Tex was eager for a third battle,insisting he could get me a million dollar guarantee as well,but I wasn't interested.
I was afraid for my eye,having been told,if it was damaged again,it would lead to permanent impairment,and maybe blindness"

Chapter 26 page 221 "Jack Dempsey",by Jack Dempsey.

[Marchegiano]

Ignore the Dempsey haters. Same old, same old.

Dempsey was totally outclassed in '26 but the '27 match was competitive enough.

Too many casuals on this forum get all wet between the legs over 10-9 rounds. They really don't understand what a prize fight is.

The KD alone and the controversy that followed would have made a third go another million dollar gate, easy. That's prize fighting.

Not these self proclaimed forum experts who think they decide who is and isn't worthy, with their 'insightful analysis.'

Ticket sales makes that decision. That's prize fighting.

Fans in the 1920s - 1940s didn't get all excited by 10-9 rounds. They wanted to see a conclusion. That's why there were so many rematches, sometimes five or six times.

It took SRR 60 plus round to prove his dominance over La Motta. Robinson had out pointed La Motta four times, yet in the minds of the fighters and the fans the issue wasn't settled until the 13th round on St. Valentine's Day.

Ignore these history lite weights they can't see into the past, they can't understand past.

Anyway, I still feel it had to be Dempsey who begged off.

That KD was so controversial it in itself was enough to pack another stadium.

You seem guilty of your own accusations here ... in the same post you make said accusations.


Not these self proclaimed forum experts who think they decide who is and isn't worthy, with their 'insightful analysis.'


Uh ... What? Trav? No, that's me. All you pansy ****ers play humble. Every one of you. If you ask Ivich, Z, Trav, Ghost, yourself, Willow, billeau, or anyone else here not going be Marchegiano or QueensburyRules if you are an expert you will say no. Just a fan. Maybe a researched fan, maybe you claim knowledgeable, but one thing is for damn sure, you and most everyone else in history section shun the titles expert and historian when asked point blank.

However! Little insight into my tongue-in-cheek bull****, if you asked me I'd damn well tell you I am the best single source of information for the full scope of boxing history your ass is going to find online. Queen damn well might too. We're both a little bit … ****s … we're ****s being twelve, but their is some truth in our shared immaturity youse have always seemed to lack and this statement here is the perfect opportunity to explain:

This-
Not these self proclaimed forum experts who think they decide who is and isn't worthy, with their 'insightful analysis.'

Followed by this-
Ticket sales makes that decision. That's prize fighting.


... ... ... ... ... ... WTF Pep?


Let me rephrase this example to one so on the nose there is no way you miss my point-
I am no expert, I refuse any grandstanding, BUT, you and your opinion are wrong, tainted by bias, and I and those who share my perspective are the real knowers of a truth you only pretend to understand and play like you research



Yeah ... case in point. Ain't no expert when asked and will demonize any who make the claim without a publisher or legion of fans to thump their third party research, but, don't disagree with a mother ****er because they damn sure going to argue like they are in fact an expert who knows all things including the answer to a question asked openly.



self proclaimed forum experts who think they decide who is and isn't worthy, with their 'insightful analysis.' - Agreed! You and all! Queen and I are the ONLY self proclaimed experts and Queen only proclaims sometimes. I am the only member who will not miss a beat and will grab that title every time asked. This criticism fits me alone, unless, you look a little closer then it fits every one of you play humble but ain't actually humble ****s.


Clean yer ****ing house.