How did Norton make it to the top level with no chin?

[Tanakasensei]

- - Don't need a big chin to beat Ali like a drum along with Young. Also beat Quarry who KOed Shavers and undefeated Mac Foster.

I'm not asking how he can beat Ali. It's how he got to top ranking

[Tanakasensei]

There are guys who are journeyman who lasted many rounds with foreman. So it's obviously a weak chin.

Norton was of course far from a journey man

[Dr. Z]

Actually you can because almost every HW era had ATG punchers in it and you would have to face them sooner or later if you were elite. Norton failed the test about as bad as you can fail them. Like someone already said, there's no shame in getting caught and finished by the likes of Foreman, Shavers, Cooney. But by all 3 of them, all in the 1st round pretty much as soon as they touched his jaw? That's a below average chin.

Having a weak chin also doesn't mean you get ko'd by everyone who could punch on some level etiher. I don't think Quarry and Cobb really tested his chin.

To answer your question, I don't do 1 to 10 scales. I rate by below average, average and above average. Norton had a below average chin in my eyes. Ali and Holmes had average punching power to me, Foreman and Shavers above average. See what I'm saying.

No, I don't. Shavers and Foreman are two elite all time punchers. Better than most two in ANY eras. Use the 10s, 20's 30's 40's 50's 60' or 80's. Go on name two better. Show me.

Getting Ko'd by Shavers or Foreman skews things a bit when they are the ones who stooped you in your prime. Cobb and Quarry Ko'd some contenders. You are mistaken. But neither man could stop Norton. Neither could his field of fighters. Cooney was Norton's last fight! How old was Norton and don't you think he was past his best by then?

[BKM-]

No, I don't. Shavers and Foreman are two elite all time punchers. Better than most two in ANY eras. Use the 10s, 20's 30's 40's 50's 60' or 80's. Go on name two better. Show me.

Getting Ko'd by Shavers or Foreman skews things a bit when they are the ones who stooped you in your prime. Cobb and Quarry Ko'd some contenders. You are mistaken. But neither man could stop Norton. Neither could his felid of fighters. Cooney was Norton's last fight! How old was Norton and don't you think he was past his best by then?

Shavers is one of the hardest punchers ever but not one of the best punchers ever, you're drunk or high or both if you don't think I can name a big list of HW punchers that were superior to him. And almost all of the best opponents he faced beat him, often at his own game and usually by stoppage. Norton is an exception, which was made possible because of his below average chin.

Cobb and Quarry couldn't get past that cross armed guard to touch up Norton's chin.

The funny thing is somebody like Lennox Lewis' chin is usually criticized because he lost his only 2 fights by KO. Even though there's a plethora of fights you can pick out where you see Lewis displaying an above average chin against very hard hitters. Norton crumbled within minutes against the hardest hitters he faced and hardly showed any durability against anyone with actual power and it's a problem to question his chin? Nope.

[GhostofDempsey]

Norton had a decent chin. He was a peak conditioned athlete coached by Futch when he was at his best. Not a great boxer but considering he got off to a late start he accomplished quite a bit in a talent rich era.

[_Rexy_]

Actually you can because almost every HW era had ATG punchers in it and you would have to face them sooner or later if you were elite. Norton failed the test about as bad as you can fail them. Like someone already said, there's no shame in getting caught and finished by the likes of Foreman, Shavers, Cooney. But by all 3 of them, all in the 1st round pretty much as soon as they touched his jaw? That's a below average chin.

Having a weak chin also doesn't mean you get ko'd by everyone who could punch on some level etiher. I don't think Quarry and Cobb really tested his chin.

To answer your question, I don't do 1 to 10 scales. I rate by below average, average and above average. Norton had a below average chin in my eyes. Ali and Holmes had average punching power to me, Foreman and Shavers above average. See what I'm saying.

Foreman and Shavers didn’t have “above average” power. Those two boxers are still mentioned whenever the “hardest punchers of all time” are brought up.

[BKM-]

Foreman and Shavers didn’t have “above average” power. Those two boxers are still mentioned whenever the “hardest punchers of all time” are brought up.

The hardest punchers of all time literally have above average power.

Brainless the second over here.

[_Rexy_]

The hardest punchers of all time literally have above average power.

Brainless the second over here.

Yeah, but nobody would say that the richest person on the planet has "above average money"

[SUBZER0ED]

Frazier got up and could continue. It was stopped for humanitarian reasons

That's a contradiction. If Frazier could have continued, then why was it stopped for "humanitarian reasons"? The humanitarian stoppage occurred because Joe could not continue, but would keep getting up until he got seriously hurt.

[Tanakasensei]

That's a contradiction. If Frazier could have continued, then why was it stopped for "humanitarian reasons"? The humanitarian stoppage occurred because Joe could not continue, but would keep getting up until he got seriously hurt.

Because he had no answer to Foreman and could be killed in the long run.