Is Holyfield a more accomplished fighter than Tyson?

[GJC]

Sure,if you wish to romanticize the whole story,but as shown,Tyson's performances hardly declined after the death of Cus D'amato.In fact,his competition was improved and he still looked like the destructive force that he did when he was knocking out journeyman as a prospect under the tutorledge of Cus D'amato.
Tyson destroyed a top heavyweight in Trevor Berbick just a year after Cus D'amato's death and destroyed lineal heavyweight champion in Michael Spinks just two and a half years after the death of Cus D'amato.

I agree the major part of the Tyson story happened after D'Amato's death but I think if he'd have still been alive he might have kept Tyson on the straight and narrow and away from the Givens's and King's of this world.
Tyson's major problems were/are always been mental, might be more accurate to say his problems started after Jacobs death, who was another steadying influence?

[bojangles1987]

Obviously. It's not even a real question.

[Bigmacpoper]

I agree the major part of the Tyson story happened after D'Amato's death but I think if he'd have still been alive he might have kept Tyson on the straight and narrow and away from the Givens's and King's of this world.
Tyson's major problems were/are always been mental, might be more accurate to say his problems started after Jacobs death, who was another steadying influence?

Yes but that is Tyson's personal life we are talking about now and even when Cus was alive he allowed Tyson to get away with alot of his street antics without punishment.

I'm not trying to rubbish their relationship and Teddy Atlas is a bitter **** but perhaps there was an element of truth there.


Didn't Tyson claim in that documentary of his that Jacobs and bill Clayton robbed him of a great deal of money?

ThegreatA posted a floyd Patterson article in which Patterson also accuses the two of doing the same to him

Anybody who says no is a nuthugger.

Or perhaps they just know more about this sport than you do,then again that's hardly an accomplishment is it?

I mean the average casual viewer who tuned into the Leonards,De La Hoya's,Ali's and Tysons has the same if not more knowledge on this sport than you do.

Obviously. It's not even a real question.

Go away and go watch Da Pacman or something.

[GJC]

Didn't Tyson claim in that documentary of his that Jacobs and bill Clayton robbed him of a great deal of money?

I have to admit I have that documentary on dvd but still haven't watched it.
I do remember reading that Robin Gives when she was making a grab for Tyson's money had a forensic audit done on his "books" to prove thatClayton was ripping him off and it was discovered that Clayton had overpaid him!

I think maybe some of King's drival against Jacobs and Clayton got through re Tyson's claims?
I reckon Clayton and Jacobs probably trail a distant 3rd to Givens and KIng on who got the most Tyson money.

[Silencers]

I think he is.

[MANGLER]

Yea he is. Nobody will ever achieve the same rep Mike had, but Holy did more overall.

[Benncollinsaad]

Yes but that is Tyson's personal life we are talking about now and even when Cus was alive he allowed Tyson to get away with alot of his street antics without punishment.

I'm not trying to rubbish their relationship and Teddy Atlas is a bitter **** but perhaps there was an element of truth there.


Didn't Tyson claim in that documentary of his that Jacobs and bill Clayton robbed him of a great deal of money?

ThegreatA posted a floyd Patterson article in which Patterson also accuses the two of doing the same to him




Or perhaps they just know more about this sport than you do,then again that's hardly an accomplishment is it?

I mean the average casual viewer who tuned into the Leonards,De La Hoya's,Ali's and Tysons has the same if not more knowledge on this sport than you do.




Go away and go watch Da Pacman or something.

I don't claim to know that much about boxing, but I know more than you. I love boxing and that is enough. I don't go around bragging about my knowledge like certain people.

So, once and for all-PISS OFF!

P.S. Learn how to write son, your columns are too wide apart from one another.

[mickey malone]

I have to admit I have that documentary on dvd but still haven't watched it.
I do remember reading that Robin Gives when she was making a grab for Tyson's money had a forensic audit done on his "books" to prove thatClayton was ripping him off and it was discovered that Clayton had overpaid him!

I think maybe some of King's drival against Jacobs and Clayton got through re Tyson's claims?
I reckon Clayton and Jacobs probably trail a distant 3rd to Givens and KIng on who got the most Tyson money.

You need to watch that!... Superb, but there's a big fuss over the passing of D'Amato, and then, plenty of footage on Jacobs, but not a single word about his untimely death... Strange, but true! Which obviously suggests that he WAS ripped off by Cayton/Jacobs..

However, this wouldn't remotely compare to Robbing Givens, her **** of a mother, or Potato Washington...

[LondonRingRules]

The Holy of 96 wasn't the offensive machine Holy of the late 80s/early 90s either.

** The Unholy juggernaut was blown to smithereens by Big George, a supposedly easy 1st defense to give George a late retirement payday.

Holy absorbed unholy punishment and was hanging by a thread the last few rounds. His KO % drops from something like 80% to 20% from here on, and his stamina and boxing acumen seemed to give way to a brawler clubfighter style, not a brilliant offensive machine. He was clueless for much of the Cooper and Holmes followup fights for example, two guys who lacked the power, strength, and endurance of Big George. Cooper was considered shot and Larry had to hang on the ropes to keep from keeling over for much of the fight.

So, the answer to the question is a resounding NO. The unholy one never put together any consistency at heavy, his title record being 10-7-2 and likely enhanced beyond the norm by PED use. His heavy career reminds me of Saad Muhammed, always taking beatings, staging comebacks, and then hanging on far too long.

The current unlicensed phase of his career is only serving to throw an unwelcome spotlight on him and is damaging his health beyond repair.

[RightCross94]

** The Unholy juggernaut was blown to smithereens by Big George, a supposedly easy 1st defense to give George a late retirement payday.

Holy absorbed unholy punishment and was hanging by a thread the last few rounds. His KO % drops from something like 80% to 20% from here on, and his stamina and boxing acumen seemed to give way to a brawler clubfighter style, not a brilliant offensive machine. He was clueless for much of the Cooper and Holmes followup fights for example, two guys who lacked the power, strength, and endurance of Big George. Cooper was considered shot and Larry had to hang on the ropes to keep from keeling over for much of the fight.

So, the answer to the question is a resounding NO. The unholy one never put together any consistency at heavy, his title record being 10-7-2 and likely enhanced beyond the norm by PED use. His heavy career reminds me of Saad Muhammed, always taking beatings, staging comebacks, and then hanging on far too long.

The current unlicensed phase of his career is only serving to throw an unwelcome spotlight on him and is damaging his health beyond repair.

I can understand why people hate Floyd, because he can be arrogant, I understand why many Puerto Ricans and Mexicans dont like each others fighters, because of their pride in their respective heritages, but how could anyone have an agenda against Holyfield? The guy has done nothing but fight hard his whole career and loves the sport so mcuh he's refusing to retire.