Hemingway Evaluates Joe Louis in1935

[Ivich]

No, no, no, it was a rhetorical question to introduce my complaint.

I don't care whether you care less or more.

Regarding Burns. I said trash talk before the fight is OK - I personally don't need such nonsense from any fighter but it's for the hoi polloi; it builds the gate.

In the ring, it stops. Inside the ring is sacred ground to real fight fans.

Burns called Johnson a YELLOW CUR in the ring.

[Ivich]

This thread seems to have been significantly derailed. Regarding Joe Louis - a simple observation from watching his fights remastered - one against Two Ton Tony Galento and the other, the Schmeling II fight. Man, could Louis throw precise combinations with devastating power. Either hand possessed the "Good Night Irene" punch. Against Galento, his punches split Tony's face. Galento could endure tremendous pain. He even had his tongue restitched in a bar after a fight where he almost bit his tongue in two. He left the hospital early and was found in a nearby bar, drinking a beer. With no medication, whatsoever, (outside of the beer he was drinking,) the surgeon sewed his tongue back.

In the Galento fight, the fourth round is amazing. It all starts with a feint (right, left, right - heavy punch) and then Galento lunges for a left hook and Joe perfectly times a left that tears open Tony's face as the blood starts pouring out of the right side of Tony's mouth. Then, they circle and Joe chases him from left to right, delivering a left and right as Tony backs away. Then, the sequence where Joe, on the left ropes, delivers a pulverizing right to Galento's head. It's the beginning of the end as Tony is badly hurt. Joe adds to Tony's misery by firing eight shots in rapid succession to Galento whose back is now on the left ropes. Tony stumbles backwards and it's nite nite after that. A missed right, a right that connects, a left, an uppercut and then the good night, left hook, where Tony stumbles to the left and collapses in his corner.

The ESPN footage of the Schmeling II fight is the best where Joe delivers two tremendous body shots, one to the solar plexus and the other to the right kidney area. You can clearly see Schmeling grimace in pain (some ring accounts said you could here him screaming in pain) before Joe starts the canvas ride for Schmeling with a thunderous right.

Watch ESPN's show that near the end has footage of the many knockouts Louis had. I don't think you can compare them to most of the knockouts of today. I mean, these boxers looked like they were shot with a cannon. Legs with involuntary movement, collapsing, and in some cases, opponents dropping head first into the canvas. My favorite comment is by Max Baer after he fought Louis - - “I tried hitting the one in the middle but the other six just kept beating the hell out of me.”

It got derailed because DR Z and Queensbury Fool decided to turn it into a hate fest against Jack Johnson ,and that's the reason I'm not making any new threads. Enjoyed your post.

[Willie Pep 229]

Burns called Johnson a YELLOW CUR in the ring.

That's no good. That's exactly what I find boorish. A real fighter answers with his fists.

YELLOW CUR: What's the insult? Is that "dog piss' or rotten cheese?

Does it have something to do with the old negro phrase 'high yellow'?

[Ivich]

She also took her own life and JJ announced his engagement to Cameron just a few days later. The newspaper jumped on his behavior and followed the couples (eventual mixed marriage) exploits for the next year.

I don't know if Cameron was abused or not durung this period (1912-1915). She would sue for divorce (mid 1920s) claiming abuse.

Etta Duryea left a suicide note,it was published in the Chicago Defender

" Jack has done all in his power to cure me,but it is of no use.Since Papa's death I have worried myself in my grave".

Papa Jack by Randy Roberts,page 142,

[Ivich]

That's no good. That's exactly what I find boorish. A real fighter answers with his fists.

YELLOW CUR: What's the insult? Is that "dog piss' or rotten cheese?

Does it have something to do with the old negro phrase 'high yellow'?

He was calling Johnson a coward,and not for the first time.

[Willie Pep 229]

Etta Duryea left a suicide note,it was published in the Chicago Defender

" Jack has done all in his power to cure me,but it is of no use.Since Papa's death I have worried myself in my grave".

Papa Jack by Randy Roberts,page 142,

Source is a Negro newspaper. Is there a second confirming source.

Just for the record. I wouldn't accept something negative about JJ from a Southern newspaper without conformation either.

[Willie Pep 229]

He was calling Johnson a coward,and not for the first time.

Ah! I was focusing on cur not yellow.

What happened to good old "yellow dog"?

[Ivich]

Source is a Negro newspaper. Is there a second confirming source.

Just for the record. I wouldn't accept something negative about JJ from a Southern newspaper without conformation either.

I'd have to look up what Pollack has to say about it.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'd have to look up what Pollack has to say about it.

Yea, trying to study JJ is like walking through a racist minefield.

At least with other fighters like Greb and Dempsey you just have to wade through the legendary BS.

With Johnson there were those who were deliberately attacking him and others lying for him.

[Dr. Z]

Burns gave public workouts up to the fight ,and stated he was in the shape of his life.Remember when you tried to claim he had Jaundice going into the fight?lol KevinSmith?Thats the guy who came on ESB Classic and told you to stop misquoting him wasn't it, He wasn't very happy with you was he! lol Burns was 168 1/2lbs just a pound and a half less than when he defended against Flynn and only 2 pounds less than when he defended against Moir.
The weight disparity between Johnson and Burns was 25 1/2lbs
The weight disparity between your hero Jeffries and Fitzsimmons for their 1 st fight was 39lbs.
For their 2nd it was 47lbs.
The disparity between Jeffries and Corbett 1 was 30lbs
For their 2nd fight it was 27lbs
Between Jeffries and Sharkey 29lbs
Between Jeffries and Finnegan 60lbs
Between Jeffries and Choynski 52lbs

Its funny I've never heard you mention any of those!
BLATANT HYPOCRISY

Funny as in you can not even stay on point. Did Jeffries lose to those men, who were not even in the conversation until you felt the need to insert them. Well?

No, he did not. But Johnson did lose to sub 200 pound men. Quite a few of them. He was knocked out by, floored or lost to them.

BLATANT HYPOCRISY from a known liar. Tell us again how you is 137. You said it, not I.



I laugh in your face