Jimmy Barry Undefeated Flyweight-How Good Was He?

[QueensburyRules]

- - 59-0-10, 39 KO purt fair record. Last 6 Draws after he killed a man in the ring and suffered murder charges where he was found not guilty.

Never KOed another fighter again.

https://boxrec.com/index.php/en/box-pro/46200

Seems good enough to compete today, so what sayeth you mugs?

[markusmod]

- - 59-0-10, 39 KO purt fair record. Last 6 Draws after he killed a man in the ring and suffered murder charges where he was found not guilty.

Never KOed another fighter again.

https://boxrec.com/index.php/en/box-pro/46200

Seems good enough to compete today, so what sayeth you mugs?

Any video out there of him?

[QueensburyRules]

Any video out there of him?

- - I think it was taped over by Sully vs Kilrain that was subsequently misplaced as in LOST.

[Ivich]

- - I think it was taped over by Sully vs Kilrain that was subsequently misplaced as in LOST.

Walter Croot RIP.

[Bundana]

Barry fought in the 1890s... where you'll find many of his contemporaries waxing lyrically about his greatness!

Even some historians today, who of course have never seen him on film (let alone in the flesh!), believe he was one of the true greats - and rate him very highly, even when compared with modern boxers. IBRO historian Tracy Callis rate him the best flyweight ever:

Flyweights:

1. Jimmy Barry
2. Jimmy Wilde
3. Pascual Perez
4. Pancho Villa
5. Fidel LaBarba
6. Frankie Genaro
7. Benny Lynch
8. Ricardo Lopez
9. Midget Wolgast
10. Peter Kane

But then again, when you see his all-time P4P list you quickly realize, that he suffers from a severe case of nostalgia:

Pound-For-Pound:

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
4. Sam Langford
5. Charlie Mitchell
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Stanley Ketchel
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Ezzard Charles
10. Philadelphia Jack O’Brien

Callis writes:
"In the opinion of this writer, Barry was the All-Time Flyweight - yes, even better than Jimmy Wilde, the "Mighty Atom", who carried a super-human punch. Barry was a better boxer, hit with stiff, sharp, fast punches, was not as "open" to getting hit as was Wilde, and possessed a tougher chin".

Amazing insight into what a boxer you have never seen, looked like in the ring 120+ years ago! Would Barry be able to mix it with today's best - or would he be completely out of his depth? I don't know... but personally I wouldn't read too much (if anything at all) into Callis' opinions!

[Nash out]

There is nothing on his resume to suggest he was anything more than a journeyman. About 30 opponents make debuts, and only a few fighters with winning records, and those were like W4 L2, etc. 10 draws as well, I bet a few of those were gifts to keep his unbeaten record. Fought nobody, beat nobody, probably lost a lot. Anyone unsure, check his Boxrec. Nash out

[Ivich]

Barry fought in the 1890s... where you'll find many of his contemporaries waxing lyrically about his greatness!

Even some historians today, who of course have never seen him on film (let alone in the flesh!), believe he was one of the true greats - and rate him very highly, even when compared with modern boxers. IBRO historian Tracy Callis rate him the best flyweight ever:

Flyweights:

1. Jimmy Barry
2. Jimmy Wilde
3. Pascual Perez
4. Pancho Villa
5. Fidel LaBarba
6. Frankie Genaro
7. Benny Lynch
8. Ricardo Lopez
9. Midget Wolgast
10. Peter Kane

But then again, when you see his all-time P4P list you quickly realize, that he suffers from a severe case of nostalgia:

Pound-For-Pound:

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
4. Sam Langford
5. Charlie Mitchell
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Stanley Ketchel
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Ezzard Charles
10. Philadelphia Jack O’Brien

Callis writes:
"In the opinion of this writer, Barry was the All-Time Flyweight - yes, even better than Jimmy Wilde, the "Mighty Atom", who carried a super-human punch. Barry was a better boxer, hit with stiff, sharp, fast punches, was not as "open" to getting hit as was Wilde, and possessed a tougher chin".

Amazing insight into what a boxer you have never seen, looked like in the ring 120+ years ago! Would Barry be able to mix it with today's best - or would he be completely out of his depth? I don't know... but personally I wouldn't read too much (if anything at all) into Callis' opinions!

I give Callis' opinions the same amount of gravitas I give those of the late Bert Sugar.
About 15 years ago the RIng held an all time flyweight tournament.

Miguel Canto won it.
Callis doesn't even have him in his top ten!
When did Ricardo Lopez fight at flyweight?

[QueensburyRules]

There is nothing on his resume to suggest he was anything more than a journeyman. About 30 opponents make debuts, and only a few fighters with winning records, and those were like W4 L2, etc. 10 draws as well, I bet a few of those were gifts to keep his unbeaten record. Fought nobody, beat nobody, probably lost a lot. Anyone unsure, check his Boxrec. Nash out

- - Now gnash U gums til bloody, 19th Century records tend towards incomplete.

He was obviously matinee idol box office in his day with concussive results, hence the accolades.

[Nash out]

- - Now gnash U gums til bloody, 19th Century records tend towards incomplete.

He was obviously matinee idol box office in his day with concussive results, hence the accolades.

Okay, then. How many of the names he has beaten do you know of? And how good were they? Nash out

[QueensburyRules]

Okay, then. How many of the names he has beaten do you know of? And how good were they? Nash out

- - How many names of the 19th Century ending into the start of the 20th century do you know of any genre?

Can you name the hundreds of automobiles produced then now lost in time, some very well made enough to shame modern autos?

The baseball players?

Track stars?