Enclosed are my top 15 ranked heavyweights by 20-year intervals.

[Dr. Z]

You must take in to consideration he fought old men! I do not agree with the points system as you do not factor this in and you give too much for a draw ( that Fury was robbed into ) and too may points for the KO losses, in fighters that he was well behind to the cards.

Wilder has next to none wins over ring magazine top ten opponents in their prime. Go ahead and look. Soils in not among them


Wilder's career Resume

Kelvin Price, 13-0-0, Fellow prospect, non-contender...............+4 points

Audley Harrison, 31-6-0, Long faded former fringe contender, Olympian......+4 points

Malik Scott, 36-1-1, Fellow prospect, non-contender...............+5 points

Bermane Stivern I, 24-1-1, World ranked title holder in prime............+7 points He was 37 and lasted the distance.

Eric Molina, 23-2-0, Gate keeper, non-contender............................+5 points

Johann Duhaupas, 32-2-0, Top 15 ranked fringe contender............+6 points

Artur Szpilka, 20-1-0, Lower regarded fringe contender, later disappointed........+5 points

Chris Arreola, 36-4-1, Longtime contender, still near prime..........+6 points

Gerald Washington, 18-0-1, Newly emerged contender.................+6 points

Bermane Stivern II, 25-2-1, World ranked former title holder............+6 points Was even older and way out of shape. Like 40.

Luis Ortiz I, 28-0-0, Top ranked world title contender....................+9 points An old man, some say older than 40+ Hurt Wilder and was on his way to a TKO but gassed due to old age.

Tyson Fury I, 27-0-0, Undefeated linial (actual) World Champion, unification.....+10 points Draw

Dominic Breazeale, 20-1-0, Contemporary contender in 2nd title shot............+6 points

Luis Ortiz II, 31-1-0, Top ranked world title contender in rematch...................+8 points An even older man for the re-match 40+ Enough said.

Tyson Fury II, 29-0-1, Undefeated linial (actual) World Champion, unification......10 points LOSS

Tyson Fury III, 30-0-1, Undefeated linial (actual) World Champion......10 points LOSS

Robert Helenius, 31-2-0, long time fringe contender, good power.........+7 points Another old man age 38. Too much points for him, compared to so Arreola.




If fact in the age and his performance of win's vs Washington and Szpilka ( the cards were even before the knock out ), along with this gift draw to Fury suggest Wilder is not that good. You give too much credit for the losses where he was outclassed and knocked out. Clean up the above formula the rating system is okay,, but the points given in many cases are not. Just one man's feedback. And I didn't even talk about the Scott fight which was fishy.

Again how many wins over opponents in their prime? Wilder is a cherry picking guy who used careful mach making to fight washed up fighters or old men. That is what the evidence says. Who has he beaten who isn't over 36 and is decent, who? That's his resume. List the names....

Wilder rates top 6-10 in his era for 2004-2024. That's as far as I go.

[Willow The Wisp]

All good points Doc. However....(there has to be a however - but we're still cyber pals), Stiverne, short as his prime may have been, was a sitting champion (Belt-holder anyway), at the height of his powers. And while he took the then challenger the route, he didn't last a round in the return. I gave modest points to him as a figher, I felt. Ortiz, likewise was a late blooming fighter, and was on a KO streak up to the top, and undefeated as well when Wilder met him their first struggle. A classic late bloomer who year & years later, after age inevitably did catch up with him (to say nothing of two fierce beatings at the hands of Wilder), gave Ruiz Jr. A better fight than prime A.J. could - Arguably in two tries! While on the subject of age being only a prospective and conditional indicator of ability; we might regard Joshua's crowning achievement his epic against a past 40, last time-beaten and comming strait out of retirement Wladimir Klitschko! This is especially apparent in light of subsiquent losses by all of Joshua's other premium opponents who didn't log a win over Joshua; Cornish, Martin, Whyte, Breazeale, Molina, Takam, Parker, Povetkin and Pulev. Some of those losses to guys who Wilder knocked out, in fact. As to the draw with Tyson Fury being a robery; the three judges rendered their call. Sure Tyson won the pitty-pat rounds decisively; and even I scored the fight for him using the prescribed points system; but Wilder laid Fury Out Flat. Dead. And that's what made it a classic. Those two made two classic fight together. Even the one who comes up short gets glory for those situations. Like the Thriller in Manila. I'd point back to Joshua's own winning classic against old man Klitschko for that too. Lastly; falling behind before lowering the boom is simply Wilder's style, and looking over his record it works out pretty well for him. And it makes for some dammed good theater too, in my opinion anyhow. Course I'm something of a moron I have to confess. Ask my wife. But, I know how many badass scrappers and exceptional athletes get left on the side of the highway on the road to getting where Deontay Wilder has gotten and stayed put awhile. I've pushed wheelchairs for some of em' too. And I RESPECT the thing. Jeez brother...don't you?

[Dr. Z]

All good points Doc. However....(there has to be a however - but we're still cyber pals), Stiverne, short as his prime may have been, was a sitting champion (Belt-holder anyway), at the height of his powers. And while he took the then challenger the route, he didn't last a round in the return. I gave modest points to him as a figher, I felt. Ortiz, likewise was a late blooming fighter, and was on a KO streak up to the top, and undefeated as well when Wilder met him their first struggle. A classic late bloomer who year & years later, after age inevitably did catch up with him (to say nothing of two fierce beatings at the hands of Wilder), gave Ruiz Jr. A better fight than prime A.J. could - Arguably in two tries! While on the subject of age being only a prospective and conditional indicator of ability; we might regard Joshua's crowning achievement his epic against a past 40, last time-beaten and comming strait out of retirement Wladimir Klitschko! This is especially apparent in light of subsiquent losses by all of Joshua's other premium opponents who didn't log a win over Joshua; Cornish, Martin, Whyte, Breazeale, Molina, Takam, Parker, Povetkin and Pulev. Some of those losses to guys who Wilder knocked out, in fact. As to the draw with Tyson Fury being a robery; the three judges rendered their call. Sure Tyson won the pitty-pat rounds decisively; and even I scored the fight for him using the prescribed points system; but Wilder laid Fury Out Flat. Dead. And that's what made it a classic. Those two made two classic fight together. Even the one who comes up short gets glory for those situations. Like the Thriller in Manila. I'd point back to Joshua's own winning classic against old man Klitschko for that too. Lastly; falling behind before lowering the boom is simply Wilder's style, and looking over his record it works out pretty well for him. And it makes for some dammed good theater too, in my opinion anyhow. Course I'm something of a moron I have to confess. Ask my wife. But, I know how many badass scrappers and exceptional athletes get left on the side of the highway on the road to getting where Deontay Wilder has gotten and stayed put awhile. I've pushed wheelchairs for some of em' too. And I RESPECT the thing. Jeez brother...don't you?

Their path is mostly void ring magazine top ten contenders in their prime! And ranked contenders in general. The contenders they do fight are OLD and have seen better days. Wilder and Fury. Those are the facts. Don't be fooled. Joshua at least fights men in their prime who are ranked in their prime such as Ruiz and Parker. He also fought Whyte closer to him being in good working order, but enough Wilder. He has been discussed enough in this forum.
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