James J Corbett's 3 Best Wins?

[GhostofDempsey]

Choynski 165/ 172lbs Both were 3 fight novices, hardly a defining fight.


McCoy less,he weighed 173 for Jack Root 3 years later.Very likely a fix.

"It seems certain that McCoy faked the knockout loss to win bets."


Mitchell 165lbs.



How many men over 175lbs did he beat ?

A nearly 34 years old, 4 and a half years retired ,alcoholic Sullivan.which took him 21 rds

A fat out of shape Kilrain.

"No in-fighting was allowed, which favoured Corbett .[It was noted that just a few days earlier Kilrain and his troupe of boxers and wrestlers were arrested following the accidental death of one Tom James, a citizen of Dallas."


Corbett's Resume 11-4-3
Facts.
Thats it!
Not the stuff heavyweight legends are made of.imo

So you cite the weight and experience of Choynski and McCoy, but you won’t admit the same advantages in size Johnson held over Langford and Jeannette, which ranged anywhere from 20-40 pounds over Jeannette and up 30-40 or more pounds over Langford. Less than ten fits experience for McVey who was a novice, and less than 20 fights experience for Jeannette. Watch them double standards, they will come back to getcha every time.

[Rosco3387]

NYTimes does not seem to believe the Corbett-McCoy fight was dirty. They describe Corbett as beating up McCoy pretty bad come the KO. They also saw the earlier rounds as a "display of scientific boxing" which could in turn be misunderstood by the casual fan as a fix.

NYTimes, Corbett Won Fight in Fifth Round, August 31st, 1900, page 5

What about the Gilsey House hotel lobby brawl in 1898. Does that count as a Corbett-McCoy fight?

Just joking but it does seem that Corbett and McCoy had a go in a hotel lobby two years before their susposed fix fight, that included hair pulling and a swift kick to Corbett's groin.

One might want to think it a classic weight-in promotion shoving go, but the event took place after word got out that the scheduled Buffalo fight was about to be canceled. (thwarted by a group of protesting Ministers.) The fighters blamed each other for the failure.

The lobby "fight" took off after a short debate over whose face more resembled a monkey.

NY Times, McCoy and Corbett Fight, September 29th, 1898, page 5.

NYTimes, Ministers to Stop Fight, August 12th, 1898, page 5.

Oy! that damn simian argument! Gets the fight going every time. Corbett was a handsome guy... wasn't he?

[markusmod]

- - Media reports indicate they were both propped up against each other for most of the latter rounds like a pair a drunks out on the town, (my preferred descriptor.)

Sounds like final rounds of Gatti-Ward

[Ivich]

So you cite the weight and experience of Choynski and McCoy, but you won’t admit the same advantages in size Johnson held over Langford and Jeannette, which ranged anywhere from 20-40 pounds over Jeannette and up 30-40 or more pounds over Langford. Less than ten fits experience for McVey who was a novice, and less than 20 fights experience for Jeannette. Watch them double standards, they will come back to getcha every time.

Both Corbett and Choynski were 3 pro fight novices.True.

Johnson fought ,3 fight Jeannette 3 rds flooring him3 times,he fought another opponent Walter Johnson then straight after, slightly different circumstances I think!
Johnson fought 12 fight Jeannette and was dsq.d whilst in front in the 2nd rd.No weights given.
3rd fight Johnson beat 16 fight Jeannette.
No weights given.
4th fight Jeannette 17fights 185lbs Johnson 205lbs Johnson won.
5th fight Jeannette20 fights,no weights given Johnson won.
6th fight Draw. Jeannette 21 fights,no weights given Johnson estimated to be about 20lb s heavier.
At no point do we see Jeannette as small as Mitchell or Choynski .

In 1906 Jeannette weighed 185 to Johnson's 205lbs, where did you get the idea that Johnson was ever ,up to40lbs heavier than Jeannette?LOL
Was it from the same source that told you Johnson avoided George Kid Cotton? John L Sullivan's protege whom Johnson ko'd then leaned over the ropes and said to John L where do you want him Captain John?LOL

Johnson v McVey
1 Johnson178lbs McVey 203lbs McVey's 6th confirmed fight Johnson easy winner.
2Johnson190lbs McVey206lbs McVey's 9 th confirmed fight.Johnson easy winner
3Johnson 190lbs McVey 207lbs McVey'10 fight.Johnson won as he pleased,stopping McVey in the last round.

When McVey fought Johnson he was already spoken of as title threat to Jeffries and had some decent scalps on his belt.
A promoter had enough confidence in him to guarantee Jeffries a good purse to defend against him Jeffries refused.

Remember when you stated Johnson was bigger than Mcvey?
Remember when I posted their respective weights for their three fights you refused to accept them?

By the time McVey fought Johnson for the 3 rd time, he had kod
Fred Russell
Denver Ed Martin
Langford v Johnson.Langford was the smaller man by how much nobody knows as neither man weighed in.

Langford was the more experienced man having 56 fights under his belt Johnson floored him3 times, some reports say 4, cut his eye and broke his nose.
P4P Langford ranks above Johnson, and easily in the top 5 or 6 all time imo

Remember when you accused me of being a Langford hater?lol

Now find any post of mine where I claim these fights are among Johnson's best wins?

Got any more sniping to do now? If so, let's have it!

I used to dislike you ,now I just find you amusing in a sad sort of way.

Have a nice day.


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[Dr. Z]

Both Corbett and Choynski were 3 pro fight novices.True.

Johnson fought ,3 fight Jeannette 3 rds flooring him3 times,he fought another opponent Walter Johnson the straight after slightly different cicumstances I think!
Johnson fought 12 fight Jeannette and was dsq.d whilst in front in the 2nd rd.No weights given.
3rdfight Johnson beat 16 fight Jeannette
No weights given.
4th fight Jeannette 17fights 185lbs Johnson 205lbs Johnson won.
5th fight Jeannette20 fights,no weights given Johnson won.
6th fight Draw. Jeannette 21 fights,no weights given Johnson estimated to be about 20lb s heavier.
At no point do we see Jeannette as small as Mitchell or Choynski .
Johnson v McVey
1 Johnson178lbs McVey 203lbs McVey's 6th confirmed fight Johnson easy winner.
2Johnson190lbs McVey206lbs McVey's 9 th confirmed fight.Johnson easy winner
3Johnson 190lbs McVey 207lbs McVey'10 fight.Johnson won as he pleased,stopping McVey in the last round.

When McVey fought Johnson he was already spoken of as title threat to Jeffries and had some decent scalps on his belt.
A promoter had enough confidence in him to guarantee Jeffreis a good purse to defend against him Jeffries refused.

Remember when you stated Johnson was bigger than Mcvey?
Remember when I posted their respective weights for their three fights you refused to accept them?
Langford v Johnson.Langford was the smaller man by how much nobody knows as neither man weighed in.

Langford was the more experienced man having 56 fights under his belt Johnson floored him3 times some reports say 4and cut his eye and broke his nose.
P4P Langford ranks above Johnson and easily in the top 5 or 6 all time imo
Remember when you accused me of being a Langford hater?lol

Now find any post of mine where I claim these fights are among Johnson's best wins?

Got any more sniping to do now? If so let's have it!

I used to dislike you ,now I just find you amusing in a sad sort of way.

Have a nice day.


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Lies.

Corbett had 15 fights recored if your are talking about his epic 27 Round Ko win. I gave you the link before. Just shut up.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Corbett

Nice to leave out information that Mcvey was a green teenager when he first meet Johnson, Jeannette but 0-3 and he says 165 pounds when he first meet Johnson and Langford who had little to no experience at heavyweight was just 20 years old and an estimated 156 pounds. Sam claims he was lighter.

It might interest you to learn that one Jack Johnson was KO'd in Maine and had a Johnson had fight in the state that fits the timeline in the same year. He fought Billy Dunning in Maine in a fight ruled a draw.

This is " new " information and the historians are sure what to do with it!

[Ivich]

Both Corbett and Choynski were 3 pro fight novices.True.

Johnson fought ,3 fight Jeannette 3 rds flooring him3 times,he fought another opponent Walter Johnson then straight after, slightly different circumstances I think!
Johnson fought 12 fight Jeannette and was dsq.d whilst in front in the 2nd rd.No weights given.
3rd fight Johnson beat 16 fight Jeannette.
No weights given.
4th fight Jeannette 17fights 185lbs Johnson 205lbs Johnson won.
5th fight Jeannette20 fights,no weights given Johnson won.
6th fight Draw. Jeannette 21 fights,no weights given Johnson estimated to be about 20lb s heavier.
At no point do we see Jeannette as small as Mitchell or Choynski .

In 1906 Jeannette weighed 185 to Johnson's 205lbs, where did you get the idea that Johnson was ever ,up to40lbs heavier than Jeannette?LOL
Was it from the same source that told you Johnson avoided George Kid Cotton? John L Sullivan's protege whom Johnson ko'd then leaned over the ropes and said to John L where do you want him Captain John?LOL

Johnson v McVey
1 Johnson178lbs McVey 203lbs McVey's 6th confirmed fight Johnson easy winner.
2Johnson190lbs McVey206lbs McVey's 9 th confirmed fight.Johnson easy winner
3Johnson 190lbs McVey 207lbs McVey'10 fight.Johnson won as he pleased,stopping McVey in the last round.

When McVey fought Johnson he was already spoken of as title threat to Jeffries and had some decent scalps on his belt.
A promoter had enough confidence in him to guarantee Jeffries a good purse to defend against him Jeffries refused.

Remember when you stated Johnson was bigger than Mcvey?
Remember when I posted their respective weights for their three fights you refused to accept them?

By the time McVey fought Johnson for the 3 rd time, he had kod
Fred Russell
Denver Ed Martin
Langford v Johnson.Langford was the smaller man by how much nobody knows as neither man weighed in.

Langford was the more experienced man having 56 fights under his belt Johnson floored him3 times, some reports say 4, cut his eye and broke his nose.
P4P Langford ranks above Johnson, and easily in the top 5 or 6 all time imo

Remember when you accused me of being a Langford hater?lol

Now find any post of mine where I claim these fights are among Johnson's best wins?

Got any more sniping to do now? If so, let's have it!

I used to dislike you ,now I just find you amusing in a sad sort of way.

Have a nice day.


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I shouldn't really need to add this is Dr Z's gibberish the spelling mistakes have his fingerprints all over them.
Jim Corbett had his first pro fight in1889 fights priot to that were when he was an amateur.


"Corbett had 15 fights recored if your are talking about his epic 27 Round Ko win. I gave you the link before. Just shut up.


"Nice to leave out information that Mcvey was a green teenager when he first meet Johnson, Jeanette but 0-3 and he says 165 pounds when he first meet Johnson"
Jeannette was a muscular five feet ten and 25 years old when he first faced Johnson.in1905 ten months later they met again and Jeannette weighed 185lbs. Jeannette said many things in1910 he said Jeffries could beat Johnson with weights attached to his feet lose half his strength and still win.How did that work out?
Langford claimed he only weighed 135lbs whenJohnson beat him up.He also claimed he dropped Johnson and in their exhibition two days later punched Johnson all around the stage.Both are flat out lies,and so is his claim that he weighed 135lbs when he fought Johnson
in 1906.

Eleven months earlier Langford weighed 155lbs when he fought Young Peter Jackson,does anyone seriously believe that nearly a year later he took off 20lbs to fight Johnson? lol
"and Langford who had little to no experience at heavyweight was just 20 years old and an estimated 156 pounds, Sam claims he has lighter." Langford was a seasoned fighter with 56 fights under his belt when he fought Johnson.
Langford had fought heavyweight Jeannette twice and Black Fitzsimmons that's 3 confirmed fights at heavyweight,prior to facing Johnson.
FACT. Idiocy is alive and well in DR Z's world.

Why would a discovered fight that might or might not be Johnson interest me? I'm not obsessed with him, I've never made a post about him on this forum.I leave that to you 3 stooges to spit your hate out. You've even managed to make this thread of mine about Corbett turn into a hate fest about Johnson!

You are one seriously sick ****,do you know that!

[GhostofDempsey]

Both Corbett and Choynski were 3 pro fight novices.True.

Johnson fought ,3 fight Jeannette 3 rds flooring him3 times,he fought another opponent Walter Johnson then straight after, slightly different circumstances I think!
Johnson fought 12 fight Jeannette and was dsq.d whilst in front in the 2nd rd.No weights given.
3rd fight Johnson beat 16 fight Jeannette.
No weights given.
4th fight Jeannette 17fights 185lbs Johnson 205lbs Johnson won.
5th fight Jeannette20 fights,no weights given Johnson won.
6th fight Draw. Jeannette 21 fights,no weights given Johnson estimated to be about 20lb s heavier.
At no point do we see Jeannette as small as Mitchell or Choynski .

In 1906 Jeannette weighed 185 to Johnson's 205lbs, where did you get the idea that Johnson was ever ,up to40lbs heavier than Jeannette?LOL
Was it from the same source that told you Johnson avoided George Kid Cotton? John L Sullivan's protege whom Johnson ko'd then leaned over the ropes and said to John L where do you want him Captain John?LOL

Johnson v McVey
1 Johnson178lbs McVey 203lbs McVey's 6th confirmed fight Johnson easy winner.
2Johnson190lbs McVey206lbs McVey's 9 th confirmed fight.Johnson easy winner
3Johnson 190lbs McVey 207lbs McVey'10 fight.Johnson won as he pleased,stopping McVey in the last round.

When McVey fought Johnson he was already spoken of as title threat to Jeffries and had some decent scalps on his belt.
A promoter had enough confidence in him to guarantee Jeffries a good purse to defend against him Jeffries refused.

Remember when you stated Johnson was bigger than Mcvey?
Remember when I posted their respective weights for their three fights you refused to accept them?

By the time McVey fought Johnson for the 3 rd time, he had kod
Fred Russell
Denver Ed Martin
Langford v Johnson.Langford was the smaller man by how much nobody knows as neither man weighed in.

Langford was the more experienced man having 56 fights under his belt Johnson floored him3 times, some reports say 4, cut his eye and broke his nose.
P4P Langford ranks above Johnson, and easily in the top 5 or 6 all time imo

Remember when you accused me of being a Langford hater?lol

Now find any post of mine where I claim these fights are among Johnson's best wins?

Got any more sniping to do now? If so, let's have it!

I used to dislike you ,now I just find you amusing in a sad sort of way.

Have a nice day.


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You're copying and pasting old, debunked nonsense from your banned account elsewhere. The claims were that Johnson was anywhere between 20-40 pounds heavier than Jeannette...Jeannette himself insisted he was about 162 for one of their fights. You call him a liar. Because you obviously know more about what he weighed over 100 years ago than he did.

We aren't talking about McVey's weight, we are talking about his ring experience. When I say he less than 10 fights in his bouts with Johnson, you insist he had way more that were never recorded, but again you don't allow that same speculation for Corbett's opponents. You are clearly biased and have an agenda.

Langford was just 20 years old when he fought Johnson. Remember when you thought age was a factor? When you brought up Loughran's age against Greb? It's always the same with you. Hypocrisy and double standards to support whoever you are jockeying for, and whoever you are trying to discredit. All in a feeble and pathetic attempt to always be right. Too many of us have already pointed this out to you, but you stubbornly cling to your 100 year old anonymous articles and speculation about what you think you know. Which is very little.

[Dr. Z]

You're copying and pasting old, debunked nonsense from your banned account elsewhere. The claims were that Johnson was anywhere between 20-40 pounds heavier than Jeannette...Jeannette himself insisted he was about 162 for one of their fights. You call him a liar. Because you obviously know more about what he weighed over 100 years ago than he did.

We aren't talking about McVey's weight, we are talking about his ring experience. When I say he less than 10 fights in his bouts with Johnson, you insist he had way more that were never recorded, but again you don't allow that same speculation for Corbett's opponents. You are clearly biased and have an agenda.

Langford was just 20 years old when he fought Johnson. Remember when you thought age was a factor? When you brought up Loughran's age against Greb? It's always the same with you. Hypocrisy and double standards to support whoever you are jockeying for, and whoever you are trying to discredit. All in a feeble and pathetic attempt to always be right. Too many of us have already pointed this out to you, but you stubbornly cling to your 100 year old anonymous articles and speculation about what you think you know. Which is very little.

Not only that but he lies, leaves out important information, says one thing but the same standards do not apply for Johnson ( or others ) and he has an ax to grind with four other posters here. He often regurgitates other stuff which may be factual to suggest he knows what he is taking about.

[Ivich]

You're copying and pasting old, debunked nonsense from your banned account elsewhere. The claims were that Johnson was anywhere between 20-40 pounds heavier than Jeannette...Jeannette himself insisted he was about 162 for one of their fights. You call him a liar. Because you obviously know more about what he weighed over 100 years ago than he did.

We aren't talking about McVey's weight, we are talking about his ring experience. When I say he less than 10 fights in his bouts with Johnson, you insist he had way more that were never recorded, but again you don't allow that same speculation for Corbett's opponents. You are clearly biased and have an agenda.

Langford was just 20 years old when he fought Johnson. Remember when you thought age was a factor? When you brought up Loughran's age against Greb? It's always the same with you. Hypocrisy and double standards to support whoever you are jockeying for, and whoever you are trying to discredit. All in a feeble and pathetic attempt to always be right. Too many of us have already pointed this out to you, but you stubbornly cling to your 100 year old anonymous articles and speculation about what you think you know. Which is very little.

There were no claims that Johnson was anywhere near 40lbs heavier than Jeannette. IN ANY OF THEIR FIGHTS.IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE PRODUCE THEM!


DO YOU BELIEVE JEANNETTE WEIGHED 162lbs WHEN HE TURNED PRO AT 25?

JEANETTE WEIGHED 185lbs 10MONTHS AFTER HIS 1st FIGHT WITH JOHNSON DO YOU IMAGINE JOHNSON SCALED 245lbs?
DO YOU THINK JEANNETTE ADDED 23LBs IN MONTHS ?

YES JEANNETTE LIED JUST LIKE.LANGFORD DID WHEN HE CLAIMED HE KNOCKED JOHNSON DOWN WHILST WEIGHING 135LBS.


JUST LIKE YOU DO EVERY TIME YOU POST ON ONE OF MY THREADS
I produce primary sourced articles ,you never produce anything but your own bitter and twisted opinions .
The 3 Stooges does not constitute ,"too many of us," I have zero regard for any of your opinions .I'm not banned from any forum and have recently joined 3 on FB.
I never used the term," way more,"about McVey's other fights that is a direct lie by you and we both know it .

I included this Box Rec observation that he had 8 other fights that are not included in his published record .and his" first fight"

1902-04-12				George Sullivan	2 0 0		Auditorium, Oxnard	W-KO	6/20		bout score wiki
McVea had fought twice before coming to Oxnard, once in Salinas and once in Australia; he had a reported record of 6-0-2 prior to this fight. That brings his resume before his first fight with Johnson up to14 fights. NB I have never claimed any of Jeannette's, McVey's or his Langford fight were his best wins which is WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ie CORBETTS 3 BEST WINS. NEITHER HAVE I EVER CLAIMED McVEY OR JEANNETTE WERE PRIME WHEN THEY FOUGHT JOHNSON. WHAT I SAID WAS NO DOUBT THEY IMPROVED AND NO DOUBT JOHNSON DID TOO! YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT I POSTED ON OTHER SITES ,YOU'RE JUST BEING LEAD BY YOUR IGNORANT NOSE BY THE BIGGEST LIAR WHO WAS EVER BANNED FROM CLASSIC . YOU DESERVE EACH OTHER WE BOTH KNOW YOU WONT ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS YOUR GUTLESS GET OUT WILL BE ALONG THE LINES OF IM NOT READING ALL THAT. YOU SIR ARE A MORAL COWARD. Dr Zenophobic ,and you have done your level best to derail this thread. He to turn it into a Johnson hate fest,as he does every thread regardless of the subject ,and you to turn it into an Ivich hate fest. WELL **** THE BOTH OF YOU .YOU TOXIC PAIR OF NOBODIES! If you have a problem with the information provided take it up with Box Rec!

[GhostofDempsey]

There were no claims that Johnson was anywhere near 40lbs heavier than Jeannette. IN ANY OF THEIR FIGHTS.IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE PRODUCE THEM! JEANETTE WEIGHED 185lbs 10MONTHS AFTER HIS 1st FIGHT WITH JOHNSON DO YOU IMAGINE JOHNSON SCALED 245lbs?YES JEANNETTE LIED JUST LIKE YOU DO EVERY TIME YOU POST ON ONE OF MY THREADS
I produce primary sourced articles ,you never produce anything but your own bitter and twisted opinions .
The 3 Stooges does not constitute ,"too many of us," I have zero regard for any of your opinions .I'm not banned from any forum and have recently joined 3 on FB.
I never used the term," way more,"about McVey's other fights that is a direct lie by you and we both know it .

I included this Box Rec observation that he had 8 other fights that are not included in his published record .and his" first fight"

1902-04-12				George Sullivan	2 0 0		Auditorium, Oxnard	W-KO	6/20		bout score wiki
McVea had fought twice before coming to Oxnard, once in Salinas and once in Australia; he had a reported record of 6-0-2 prior to this fight. That brings his resume before his first fight with Johnson up to14 fights. NB I have never claimed any of Jeannette's, McVey's or his Langford fight were his best wins which is WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ie CORBETTS 3 BEST WINS. NEITHER HAVE I EVER CLAIMED McVEY OR JEANNETTE WERE PRIME WHEN THEY FOUGHT JOHNSON. WHAT I SAID WAS NO DOUBT THEY IMPROVED AND NO DOUBT JOHNSON DID TOO! YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT I POSTED ON OTHER SITES ,YOU'RE JUST BEING LEAD BY YOUR IGNORANT NOSE BY THE BIGGEST LIAR WHO WAS EVER BANNED FROM CLASSIC .YOU DESERVE EACH OTHER You and Dr Zenophobic have done your best to derail this thread. He to turn it into a Johnson hate fest,and you to turn it into an Ivich hate fest. WELL **** BOTH OF YOU .YOU TOXIC PAIR OF NOBODIES! If you have a problem with the information provided take it up with Box Rec!

Jeannette himself claimed he was under 165 for one of their fights. Of course you would know better. You were probably there.

if you have zero regard for any of our opinions, why bother replying to our posts? Clearly you do regard them, you are just obsessed with trying to prove us wrong, which you have failed to do, and it’s eating you up alive.