The 60's A Deep Heavyweight Decade

[Ivich]

Who exactly was Ali supposed to fight that he "wouldn't fight"?

You are not seriously expecting an answer are you?

[QueensburyRules]

You are not seriously expecting an answer are you?

- - Most of what you have is a belief system with no factual basis.

Aside from Sonny and Ali, who I assume are 1-2, thats a very old Sonny and young Clay and I doubt they gonna be beating on these monsters, but go ahead and pick one for laughs.

Current boxrec rankings 1-18. Only guy their size is Michael Hunter who grew up in a boxing family and well experienced now


Oleksandr Usyk
20 0 0 35

#2 Anthony Joshua
24 3 0 32

#3 Deontay Wilder*
42 2 1 36

#4 Andy Ruiz
35 2 0 33

#5 Dillian Whyte
28 3 0 35

#6 Joe Joyce
15 0 0 37

#7 Luis Ortiz
33 3 0 43

#8 Joseph Parker
30 3 0 30

#9 Derek Chisora
33 12 0 38

#10 Kubrat Pulev
29 3 0 41

#11 Michael Hunter
20 1 2 34

#12 Martin Bakole
18 1 0 29

#13 Frank Sanchez*
20 0 0 30

#14 Otto Wallin
24 1 0 31

#15 Filip Hrgovic
15 0 0 30

#16 Tony Yoka
11 1 0 30

#17 Daniel Dubois
18 1 0 25

#18 Arslanbek Makhmudov

[QueensburyRules]

Who exactly was Ali supposed to fight that he "wouldn't fight"?

- - Well, Howie arranged a showy contract signing on his Saturday ABC sports segment for Ali and Wilt.

Wilt didn't even have to throw a punch when Ali and Herbert saw his size, they bricked it big time. This the summer of 1967 before suspension, before the Folley fight, before he was drafted and subsequently defrocked. He sure coulda used that big purse as he was flat broke when they reinstated him...

[Ivich]

Who exactly was Ali supposed to fight that he "wouldn't fight"?

Told you you wouldn't get an answer! LOL
ps When Wilt the Stilt appeared with Ali onTV Ali had been coached to not kill the prospect of an easy pay day,but he couldn't resist shouting TIMBER!
Wilt's pugilistic ambitions then vanished.

It would have been a total mismatch .and only one of the "Three Stooges " on here would pretend any different,which just emphasises how ****** he is.

Amended ,now 4 stooges! Dr Mendacity,Queensbury Fool,Ghost of Desperation, and Willie Won't He ShalI I Shan't I?

Yeah we can see how frightened Ali was of oll Wily right here on video.lol

God there are some muppets on here!

Muhammad Ali & Wilt Chamberlain (myvidster.com)


Bernard Fernadez.
That athlete is the late Wilt Chamberlain, and we are fast approaching the anniversary date of what might have been the most intriguing oddity bout ever staged. Had Chamberlain not reneged on a verbal agreement to fight Ali by extending his contract with the Los Angeles Lakers for a significant pay hike, Ali-Wilt would have taken place on July 26, 1971 in the Houston Astrodome.

.NB HAD CHAMBERLAIN NOT RENEGED ON A VERBAL AGREEMENT!

“In 1971 before the (first Joe) Frazier fight, I heard that Wilt Chamberlain wanted to fight Ali,” Arum said. “So I went to Herbert (Muhammad, Ali’s manager), and we agreed that, whatever the merits of the fight, the gate would be tremendous. Then I went to see Wilt, and he told me his greatest dream was to fight for the heavyweight championship of the world. And we signed a contract. But then Ali lost to Frazier, and Herbert came to me and said, `There’s no championship to fight for. What do we do now?’

“Well, we thought about it. And you have to understand, people pay millions of dollars to publicists and advertising agencies to promote themselves the way that Ali was instinctively able to. Even after he lost to Frazier – and later, when he lost to (Ken) Norton and (Leon) Spinks – he still overshadowed them all. So I told Herbert, `Let’s do the fight anyway.’”

" And I always thought that if I had to fight somebody, it would be Ali for two reasons.

“No. 1, he was the greatest of his era. And two, he was a kind person, so if it turned out that I was in over my head, he wouldn’t take cruel advantage of it, where some other fighters might try to hurt me if I was vulnerable.

“I was offered more money than I’d ever gotten (as a basketball player). It would have been a scheduled 10-round fight and I honestly believe I had a chance. I thought a man as great at his job as Ali was might take me lightly. I could see that happening … Against Ali, I thought I could acquit myself reasonably well. Ali would be coming in blind; he’d have no idea what he was facing, whereas I’d know what to expect. And of course, I had God-given strength and athletic ability.

.NB I WAS OFFERED MORE MONEY THAN I'D EVER GOTTEN AS A BASKETBALL PLAYER

But what if “The Greatest” – Muhammad Ali – had found himself staring across the ring at a 7-foot-1, 275-pound giant who very well might be the most dominant athlete in the history of American team sports? A giant who demonstrated, time and again, that his abilities were so transcendent, so remarkable, that he could have been a nearly unstoppable force in almost any sweaty endeavor he would have taken up?

That athlete is the late Wilt Chamberlain, and we are fast approaching the anniversary date of what might have been the most intriguing oddity bout ever staged. Had Chamberlain not reneged on a verbal agreement to fight Ali by extending his contract with the Los Angeles Lakers for a significant pay hike, Ali-Wilt would have taken place on July 26, 1971 in the Houston Astrodome.

Sonny Hill, who played on the same basketball team as Chamberlain at Overbrook High School in Philadelphia and is the founder of the Sonny Hill League in his hometown, is the foremost keeper of the flame for all things Wilt. But even Hill has his doubts as to the legitimacy of the supposed pairing of Ali and his good friend, who somehow packaged Nikolay Valuev’s immense size as well as the breathtaking versatility of an Olympic decathlete.

“Was it a publicity stunt?” Hill wonders, reflecting back on the fuss made over the rumored bout between a couple of loud and proud superstars. “I’m not sure that it wasn’t. It just seems to me that there wasn’t a real affinity on Ali’s part or Dippy’s part (Chamberlain always preferred his “Big Dipper” nickname to “Wilt the Stilt”) to have a real boxing match.

“I’m not so sure that even a great athlete like Wilt, with limited training as a boxer, could have gone into such a bout and been competitive with someone like Muhammad Ali, who undoubtedly is one of the greatest fighters of all time. Ali was at the height of his career then.

“But if Wilt had had a full year to get ready? I don’t know. It would have been interesting.”

. Bob Arum would have been the promoter.

In “Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times,” Arum told author Thomas Hauser of the far-fetched idea that didn’t seem so far-fetched to some of the principals.

“In 1971 before the (first Joe) Frazier fight, I heard that Wilt Chamberlain wanted to fight Ali,” Arum said. “So I went to Herbert (Muhammad, Ali’s manager), and we agreed that, whatever the merits of the fight, the gate would be tremendous. Then I went to see Wilt, and he told me his greatest dream was to fight for the heavyweight championship of the world. And we signed a contract. But then Ali lost to Frazier, and Herbert came to me and said, `There’s no championship to fight for. What do we do now?’

“Well, we thought about it. And you have to understand, people pay millions of dollars to publicists and advertising agencies to promote themselves the way that Ali was instinctively able to. Even after he lost to Frazier – and later, when he lost to (Ken) Norton and (Leon) Spinks – he still overshadowed them all. So I told Herbert, `Let’s do the fight anyway.’”

Chamberlain’s interest was piqued, to be sure. He was always about doing things on a large scale, and he might have been the only athlete on the planet with an ego as colossal as Ali’s. If he was to box, the process wasn’t going to be a gradual build-up starting against hand-picked opponents in four-rounders.

“From the time I entered sports, guys tried to get me to become a fighter,” he said. “Ask any boxing manager, if they had to pick an athlete from another sport to develop who they would choose, and they’ll say a basketball player. That’s because of some very basic things basketball players have – size, speed, quickness and hand-eye coordination. And I always thought that if I had to fight somebody, it would be Ali for two reasons.

“No. 1, he was the greatest of his era. And two, he was a kind person, so if it turned out that I was in over my head, he wouldn’t take cruel advantage of it, where some other fighters might try to hurt me if I was vulnerable.

“I was offered more money than I’d ever gotten (as a basketball player). It would have been a scheduled 10-round fight and I honestly believe I had a chance. I thought a man as great at his job as Ali was might take me lightly. I could see that happening … Against Ali, I thought I could acquit myself reasonably well. Ali would be coming in blind; he’d have no idea what he was facing, whereas I’d know what to expect. And of course, I had God-given strength and athletic ability.

“If I’d been an oddsmaker, I’d have made Muhammad a 10-to-1 favorite. But I truly believed there was a chance for me to throw one punch and take Ali out.”
So why didn’t it happen? Arum, now 82 and recovering from knee-replacement surgery, was not available for comment, but in Hauser’s book he said Chamberlain’s very large feet got cold at an Astrodome press conference to announce the bout.

“I said, `Ali, shut your mouth. Let’s get him signed to the contract before you start riding him.’ Ali told me not to worry. Then Chamberlain comes in, and Ali shouts `Timber!’ Chamberlain turns white, goes into the next room with his lawyer, comes out and says he’s not fighting.

“I think Ali intimidated him; that’s all it was. At the moment of truth, Wilt realized that fighting Ali was a totally ridiculous concept.”
Chamberlain pulled out of the fight.

“WHY DO PEOPLE MAKE BARE_FACED LYING STATEMENTS WHEN WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTED PROOF
THAT TOTALLY CONTRADICTS THEM?
Its baffling"

[QueensburyRules]

Told you you wouldn't get an answer! LOL
ps When Wilt the Stilt appeared with Ali onTV Ali had been coached to not kill the prospect of an easy pay day,but he couldn't resist shouting TIMBER!
Wilt's pugilistic ambitions then vanished.

It would have been a total mismatch .and only one of the "Three Stooges " on here would pretend any different,which just emphasises how ****** he is.

- - Tu confuso as is the Lout way.

Wilt started using Ali as a bargaining chip for the first ever pro million buck contract and kept adding on to it. In 67 Wilt being trained by Cus, remember him? Cus physically showed Ali how Frazier was gonna whoop him and cut up Ali on national TV.

The Cosell segment was the first one on one public encounter and Ali bricked just like U do daily on this board. At any rate, Jim Brown who attempted to promote the fight later to no avail says the Timber thing never happened. As soon as Wilt got his guarantee that only the Lakers of the NBA could provide, that's who he signed with. Fighting Ali was like fighting for peanuts, half the reason Ali was broke when he retired.

U sorta like Joe Frazier in SuperStars jumping in the pool and having to be rescued because he couldn't swim.

I hope U fought better than U show on this forum.

[JAB5239]

Chamberlain backed out twice. And Cus NEVER trained Wilt, only approached him about the possibility.

[Ivich]

Chamberlain backed out twice. And Cus NEVER trained Wilt, only approached him about the possibility.

That is absolutely correct!

The amount of sewage this guy posts in amazing and no amount of verified facts posted correcting him deters him in the slightest,he just continues with another load of rubbish.I think he has mental health issues.

[JAB5239]

That is absolutely correct!

The amount of sewage this guy posts in amazing and no amount of verified facts posted correcting him deters him in the slightest,he just continues with another load of rubbish.I think he has mental health issues.

That, and a serious drinking problem.

[QueensburyRules]

Chamberlain backed out twice. And Cus NEVER trained Wilt, only approached him about the possibility.

- - - - Tu confuso as is the Lout way.

I've read Cus's story with quotes. We have the 67 ABC footage of Ali refusing to sign the contract on Cosell's sport segment. AS I mentioned, the other proposed fights matched the first proposed fights in that Ali didn't generate the $$$$ needed to pay the guarantee of Wilt who used the farce of Ali to leverage his Laker contract negotitions much like Babe used Gunboat Smith to leverage Red Sox contracts. Like Wilt, Babe was in training for Gunboat and ready to fight when the guarantees came through.

The tooopid echo chamber on this forum is growing incessant. Purt soon U and monkeyman gonna be the only ones left gibbering at each other..

[JAB5239]

- - - - Tu confuso as is the Lout way.

I've read Cus's story with quotes. We have the 67 ABC footage of Ali refusing to sign the contract on Cosell's sport segment. AS I mentioned, the other proposed fights matched the first proposed fights in that Ali didn't generate the $$$$ needed to pay the guarantee of Wilt who used the farce of Ali to leverage his Laker contract negotitions much like Babe used Gunboat Smith to leverage Red Sox contracts. Like Wilt, Babe was in training for Gunboat and ready to fight when the guarantees came through.

The tooopid echo chamber on this forum is growing incessant. Purt soon U and monkeyman gonna be the only ones left gibbering at each other..

We've been over your lies 1000 times. Ali was yelling "where's the contract" in the video. I can post it again if need be. Wilt flat out didn't show up the second time, and Cus never trained him. These are facts, not you intentionally made up fiction.

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