To all the trolls, the grand poo pas and other assorted in the section I found a primer for the proper basis for debate: Lets all abide... or try to!

[Ronn]

Your absolutely correct Bolt. I not only agree with you, but I personally hate bullies. People who have to come on a forum and browbeat... People that think that facts in books do not merit dialogue, and even revision. Any kind of a bully, whether they be in the school yard, or coming into a section where I post, I will confront... I never seek to convince others of what I believe to be. And some of the most experienced posters, guys like Hassup, who was a professional ref, never have to browbeat and tell others how smart they are... it is obvious.

Although I respect the sentiments you express. Kind of odd for one that is an ardent bully hater to be on a boxing history forum don't you think?

[Ronn]

I think I've posted it before, the Frank Zappa quote: "One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds."

For ex, I will never be able to convince QueensburyRules that Larry Holmes was a great champion.
But perhaps we can agree on, that this is a fun vid.

Ironic considering Zappa came across as incredibly arrogant and condescending.

[Ivich]

No... You read facts, recite them and think that makes you an expert... One who understands punching understands there is never an entirely perfect punch and one always has something they do... no matter how small it may be. Im sorry I know you so want your "gotcha" but I have reasons for all my opinions... Now go explain how my dicritic, punciated self makes is so your not a a fool for saying Marciano was alone in allegeldlly mugging someone as opposed to Ian Barkley! And stop writing under an alt!!!!

Who else do you think I am?
I've just come back from a nice Sunday lunch with my Mrs, feeling mellow and chilled.Read a recent post of yours directed at me and was stuck by the politeness in which it was couched
Then I read your other two posts.lol
Given your propensity for misspelling are you sure your User Name isn't BIPOLAR instead of BILLEAU? LOL
You'll be pleased I won't be here for a couple of weeks,flying to DR early tomorrow ,so you can fill your boots with as many insults and accusations as you wish, with no danger of a response from the Pooh Pa.

ps I'm no expert ,nor have I ever claimed to be one,I'm an average poster ,though that might well make me above average here!"lol

[Willie Pep 229]

Although I respect the sentiments you express. Kind of odd for one that is an ardent bully hater to be on a boxing history forum don't you think?

Why is that odd? - Not a challenge, really don't get it. He could be here to destroy all bullying or something like that. Want to battle bullies? Go where the bullies are.

[Willie Pep 229]

Ironic considering Zappa came across as incredibly arrogant and condescending.

So is it true that Zapa once walked out on to a stage, sat on a stool and stared at the auidence for over 30 minutes? When more than half the audience cursed him out and left, he then gave the best performance of his career.

I often wondered if that was true.

[Ronn]

Why is that odd? - Not a challenge, really don't get it. He could be here to destroy all bullying or something like that. Want to battle bullies? Go where the bullies are.

I meant the sport of modern boxing is essentially built on the idea of bullies beating up weaker or older fighters and avoiding hard fights entirely.
Textbook cowardly bully stuff

[Ronn]

So is it true that Zapa once walked out on to a stage, sat on a stool and stared at the auidence for over 30 minutes? When more than half the audience cursed him out and left, he then gave the best performance of his career.

I often wondered if that was true.

Never heard that one before. But it definitely sounds like something he would do lol

[The Old LefHook]

Spelling is a notoriously poor judge of intelligence. Listen to what a man says, not how he spells it.

[BattlingNelson]

This belongs in comments and suggestions or the dome.