Who Were the Black Heavyweight Standouts Who Were Denied Title Shots Between Tunney and Louis' Reign

[Ivich]

I answered it. Who did he beat from ‘22 on to deserve a shot?

Dempsey won the title in1919 what was wrong with giving Wills a shot before 1922?
In that time space Wills had 27 fights without defeat
Among those he beat during it were.
Langford x3
John Lester Johnson
Jeff Clarkx2
Jeannette
Fulton
Smith
Martin
Who had a better resume during that period?

[travestyny]

It does mean lesser. That’s why the pay are sparring partners. Dempsey even offered Wills a job as a sparring partner when he was training for Willard, Wills didn’t want it.

You can ask me a 9th time and I’ll give you the same answer. Dempsey was better and he only avoided Langford when he was just starting out. By the time Dempsey hit his prime Sam was on his way down and has seriously declined. I already proved that to you countless times.

Yea, because he was afraid to fight them for the championship.

Fury was Klitzschko's sparring partner. Doesn't mean he was lesser. It means they got together to spar. The Charlos spar with Spence. Who is lesser?


Why the hell would Wills want to be his sparring partner when he was in line for the title?



You didn't give the same answer. You gave NO answer. Who had a more accomplished resume at Heavyweight than Wills at the time.



You keep avoiding answering it.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Though loath to cast pearls before swine, gonna take the high road to assume the OP could easily use internet sources readily available, ie 1930 and move on from there...simples---

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/T..._Ratings:_1930

[GhostofDempsey]

Dempsey won the title in1919 what was wrong with giving Wills a shot before 1922?
In that time space Wills had 27 fights without defeat
Among those he beat during it were.
Langford x3
John Lester Johnson
Jeff Clarkx2
Jeannette
Fulton
Smith
Martin
Who had a better resume during that period?

Was Dempsey in control of that decision?

Again, look at those wins. Langford was half blind and considerably smaller than Wills. Washed up, and he didn’t have any real significant wins at HW himself during or after ‘19. Jeannette was 40 years old. You’re only looking at names and not where they were in their respective careers.

[GhostofDempsey]

Yea, because he was afraid to fight them for the championship.

Fury was Klitzschko's sparring partner. Doesn't mean he was lesser. It means they got together to spar. The Charlos spar with Spence. Who is lesser?


Why the hell would Wills want to be his sparring partner when he was in line for the title?



You didn't give the same answer. You gave NO answer. Who had a more accomplished resume at Heavyweight than Wills at the time.



You keep avoiding answering it.

I answered you, you just don’t like the answer. Keep asking and I’ll keep answering.

Dempsey selecting Wills as a sparring partner was an indication that he was not at all afraid of him, and actually saw him as a good journeyman who can out in some work. Exactly how Ray Arcel described him too. Watch film on both of them, Dempsey is clearly the better of the two.

[Ivich]

Was Dempsey in control of that decision?

Again, look at those wins. Langford was half blind and considerably smaller than Wills. Washed up, and he didn’t have any real significant wins at HW himself during or after ‘19. Jeannette was 40 years old. You’re only looking at names and not where they were in their respective careers.

I'm well aware where they were in their respective careers .I asked you who had a better resume during that window in time ? Perhaps you'd like to answer me?

[Ivich]

I answered you, you just don’t like the answer. Keep asking and I’ll keep answering.

Dempsey selecting Wills as a sparring partner was an indication that he was not at all afraid of him, and actually saw him as a good journeyman who can out in some work. Exactly how Ray Arcel described him too. Watch film on both of them, Dempsey is clearly the better of the two.

I think Dempsey would have stopped Wills, but that isn't the point, Wills was the stand out challenger and was denied his shot.Name a challenger who deserved it more?
NB The film of Wills is of a fighter then in decline .There are no fights available to us to view of him when he was in that prime.

[GhostofDempsey]

I think Dempsey would have stopped Wills, but that isn't the point, Wills was the stand out challenger and was denied his shot.Name a challenger who deserved it more?
NB The film of Wills is of a fighter then in decline .There are no fights available to us to view of him when he was in that prime.

I'll take the word of eye witnesses such as Ray Arcel who himself said at best Wills was a good journeyman. I can see enough of Wills in film to examine his style and make a determination that his success at HW was largely due to his size advantage and how he used it in clinches and wrestling his opponents. This would explain his success over much smaller fighters like Langford, Jeanette and McVey, and quite honestly McVey wasn't what I would consider a "great" fighter either. I'll take Dempsey over Wills any day, be it in head to head match up or resume.

[Ivich]

I'll take the word of eye witnesses such as Ray Arcel who himself said at best Wills was a good journeyman. I can see enough of Wills in film to examine his style and make a determination that his success at HW was largely due to his size advantage and how he used it in clinches and wrestling his opponents. This would explain his success over much smaller fighters like Langford, Jeanette and McVey, and quite honestly McVey wasn't what I would consider a "great" fighter either. I'll take Dempsey over Wills any day, be it in head to head match up or resume.

Arcel was a huge Dempsey fan ,as am I. Many other experts however,considered Wills a great fighter,What do you suppose the weight discrepancy was between Wills and Jeannette and McVey? If it was solely down to size why didn't Bill Tate have as much success against his black contemporaries as Wills did?
That's three questions I've asked you on this thread .any chance of an answer to them ? What films of Wills have you seen to form your opinion? Now four questions.

[GhostofDempsey]

Arcel was a huge Dempsey fan ,as am I. Many other experts considered Wills a great fighter,What do you suppose the weight discrepancy was between Wills and Jeannette and McVey? If it was solely down to size why didn't Bill Tate have as much success against his black contemporaries as Wills did?

Arcel's nemesis was Joe Louis, yet he respected Louis and gave him high praise. He was capable of being objective when speaking about fighters. Wills style of fighting was to grapple, wrestle and clinch. He was considered a dirty fighter as well. DQ'd at least 3 times and should have been disqualified when he hit Firpo on the break and knocked him down. He was strong, and outweighed McVey and Jeannette by a good 30 pounds or more with a 4 - 5" size advantage. Tate actually stood tall and attempted to box, he was limited in that regard and didn't use his size and weight to his best advantage. He also had a tendency to make himself smaller in the ring trying to crouch and duck punches and create movement, he had a wide stance too, he didn't use his height and reach to his best advantage.