Had Holyfield and Tyson fought each other at their best

[Ascended]

It would have been a real brawl. Both these guys knew eachother well, and although I give Holyfield the mental edge Tyson vs Holyfield in particular would have been close to even if they both showed up at their best.

when they did fight Holyfield seemed to be in better condition and came to win. Mike certainly knew Holyfield would show up in this fight so it was probably lingering in the back of his mind. They had a little altercation as amatuers, Holyfield claimed they broke the sparring up because they didn’t want the heavyweight future getting beat up. He stepped to him over a pool game and Tyson sort of backed down. This doesn’t mean everything, but it’s something to make note of that Holyfield had the least fear of Tyson.

for the record I’d still pick Holyfield, I think it would have been and absolute brawl though, and probably closer than the fight in 96. Maybe even a trilogy. I don’t think Mike instantly wilts against tougher fighters. He knows what it takes for the most part, just like the Ruddock fight. I just see his skillset is a bit limited if someone knows how to fight him.

I think when they did fight Mike was all gassed out from ******* and Holyfield was just bringing way too much that night. It was likely Holyfields number one goal to beat Mike.

a lighter Holyfield didn’t take quite as good of a shot which is expected, though his chin and heart were still top level. His speed and power were definitely better at 205-210 though. His combinations were nasty at that weight.

heres a possible outcome, Holyfield touches the canvas early but proceeds to lay a beat down for most of the rounds and wins a UD. I don’t think he stops Mike in 89. It was hard enough in 96 and a lot of it seemed to be Tysons poor conditioning in regards to the pace Holyfield set. Holyfield seemed to really handle Tyson inside. Tyson, like Patterson really couldn’t fight inside despite being built for it. It shows the limitations of the overated peekaboo style. Although certainly exciting, as was Patterson.

if you watch Tyson vs Mathis jr, from a purely stylistic standpoint it seems that a fighter like Frazier would really beat Mike up bad. Foreman vs Frazier is an absolutely terrible reference for how Mike would do. They both hit hard thats about it, but Foreman was pushing Frazier all night and never let him inside. Tyson never did this and nor could he vs Joe.

Won't respond to this crap with saying how your wrong cause your a crazy idiot

[BKM-]

Ìt's one of the more popular mythical matchups. Holyfield will always win. He smothers Tyson on the inside, puts him on the backfoot with his superior strength, and counters an off balanced/frustrated Tyson on the outside. Pretty much the same way he did in their actual fights. You can whine about Tyson being past prime(and pretend that Holyfield wasn't in 96/97) all you want but he really doesn't present anything different in the 80s/early 90s. He was just slightly more explosive/endurance and used more movement. It's cancelled out by Holyfield's youth.

He had too big a gap to close against Evander, it's not like it was close in any way. Their actual fights will always tell the story of this matchup.

[Ascended]

Ìt's one of the more popular mythical matchups. Holyfield will always win. He smothers Tyson on the inside, puts him on the backfoot with his superior strength, and counters an off balanced/frustrated Tyson on the outside. Pretty much the same way he did in their actual fights. You can whine about Tyson being past prime(and pretend that Holyfield wasn't in 96/97) all you want but he really doesn't present anything different in the 80s/early 90s. He was just slightly more explosive/endurance and used more movement. It's cancelled out by Holyfield's youth.

He had too big a gap to close against Evander, it's not like it was close in any way. Their actual fights will always tell the story of this matchup.

Wrong cause when they fought mike wasnt in shape and that ver of holy is the best skilled hw of all time all around

and mike fought way better in 80s you crazy idiot so where did you get from that mike doesn't present anything diff from try watching matches instead of talking idiotic saying lies

Holy wouldnt win in 80s cause he was to small and was a full brawler which he wasnt in the late 90s so that shows you don't watch these matches your just repeating dumb quotes other idiots who don't watch say

[BKM-]

Wrong cause when they fought mike wasnt in shape and that ver of holy is the best skilled hw of all time all around

and mike fought way better in 80s you crazy idiot so where did you get from that mike doesn't present anything diff from try watching matches instead of talking idiotic saying lies

Holy wouldnt win in 80s cause he was to small and was a full brawler which he wasnt in the late 90s so that shows you don't watch these matches your just repeating dumb quotes other idiots who don't watch say

LOL I like this adorable idiot already.

[Tatabanya]

I dont like that cause bert was skilled and fast so why did you say someone like as if he was trash
and I have said mutiple times that a young holy was to small and was a brawler which never beat Mike I was told I dont know boxing as if that's a lie

So the crazy idiots will tell you the same since your not saying that dumb quote of holy always beats mike as if he fought the same his whole career

I must explain myself better. I was not referring to Cooper being unskilled, but to the fact that he was - for reasons that we all know - rather inconsistent during his career. He was a last-minute replacement for that fight after Francesco Damiani withdrew for injury, and no one gave him a chance against Holyfield.

In regard to the usual trash you correctly mention ("Holyfield always beats Tyson, whatever the era"), many people have short memory, or they're too young to understand, or are plain Tyson haters. Unluckily, I'm old enough to have lived the Tyson era as it happened, and remember very well what the actual values were, to this day.

Then again, those who don't want to see the truth will remain with their opinion, which I still respect when it's expressed intelligently.

[StarshipTrooper]

It would have been a real brawl. Both these guys knew eachother well, and although I give Holyfield the mental edge Tyson vs Holyfield in particular would have been close to even if they both showed up at their best.

when they did fight Holyfield seemed to be in better condition and came to win. Mike certainly knew Holyfield would show up in this fight so it was probably lingering in the back of his mind. They had a little altercation as amatuers, Holyfield claimed they broke the sparring up because they didn’t want the heavyweight future getting beat up. He stepped to him over a pool game and Tyson sort of backed down. This doesn’t mean everything, but it’s something to make note of that Holyfield had the least fear of Tyson.

for the record I’d still pick Holyfield, I think it would have been and absolute brawl though, and probably closer than the fight in 96. Maybe even a trilogy. I don’t think Mike instantly wilts against tougher fighters. He knows what it takes for the most part, just like the Ruddock fight. I just see his skillset is a bit limited if someone knows how to fight him.

I think when they did fight Mike was all gassed out from ******* and Holyfield was just bringing way too much that night. It was likely Holyfields number one goal to beat Mike.

a lighter Holyfield didn’t take quite as good of a shot which is expected, though his chin and heart were still top level. His speed and power were definitely better at 205-210 though. His combinations were nasty at that weight.

heres a possible outcome, Holyfield touches the canvas early but proceeds to lay a beat down for most of the rounds and wins a UD. I don’t think he stops Mike in 89. It was hard enough in 96 and a lot of it seemed to be Tysons poor conditioning in regards to the pace Holyfield set. Holyfield seemed to really handle Tyson inside. Tyson, like Patterson really couldn’t fight inside despite being built for it. It shows the limitations of the overated peekaboo style. Although certainly exciting, as was Patterson.

if you watch Tyson vs Mathis jr, from a purely stylistic standpoint it seems that a fighter like Frazier would really beat Mike up bad. Foreman vs Frazier is an absolutely terrible reference for how Mike would do. They both hit hard thats about it, but Foreman was pushing Frazier all night and never let him inside. Tyson never did this and nor could he vs Joe.

Jesus, this a tough one.

I don't think the pre-steroid version of Holyfield pushes Mike around like the steroid version did. Then again, I don't think that was really the issue in their first fight other than maybe psychologically. I think too much is made of that. The biggest problem Evander posed for Tyson was the angles he gave him that nullified much of Tyson's offense forcing him to constantly reset, taking away Mike's combination punching. Holyfield's own fast combos can pile up points, and possibly wear Tyson down for a late stoppage. I think it's equally possible that one of those Tyson's single punches could catch Evander where he doesn't see it coming, stunning him and allowing Mike's combos to come into play. At that point, a couple of big rounds by Tyson could erase Holyfield's point lead, and maybe even produce a KO or ref stoppage.

I'm going to call it a 50/50 fight between two pretty damn evenly matched fighters. Maybe Holyfield just had Tyson's number, I'm inclined to doubt it and I think Mike has a great chance to win.

[StarshipTrooper]

Now watch: Someone's going to along and make me regret taking the time and effort to do a legit analysis. It happens every ******** time and I end up vowing never to do another one.

[Ropss]

Tyson beats him very easy 2nd KO

[Ascended]

LOL I like this adorable idiot already.

Yea im the idiot yet every dumb quote you used i shoot down with facts you really are crazy and a idiot you have no debunk no more quotes huh you can use more and I'll shoot them down to

I seen you say other dumb quotes to before from years ago your a legend for trolling saying dumb stuff your crazy to like the rest

[Ascended]

Tyson beats him very easy 2nd KO

I would say so if we're talking the lhw ver of holy which the crazy idiots say still could beat a hw mike which is odd