Leotis Martin

[Benncollinsaad]

Yeah so?

Patterson was tailor made for him,smaller,chinny,didn't box in those fights.Plus you can see in the rematch Sonny misses a few punches on Floyd who was stationary.

He didn't even train for the Ali fight and gained weight.

He still didn't lose any fights between the Ali fights and the Leotis fight.

[TheGreatA]

You crazy??! He blasted Patterson twice in '62 and won the title! He kept going till that fateful february day in '64.

Liston destroyed Patterson but I agree with catalinul that Liston was getting older and also slower. He fought a total of three rounds in three years before fighting Ali.

The 1959-1960 Liston was the best Liston in my opinion. He was willing to walk through punishment in order to get a title shot he felt he deserved. I think Liston truly believed that winning the heavyweight title would change the way public thought about him but it turned out that they didn't.

[catalinul]

He still didn't lose any fights between the Ali fights and the Leotis fight.

lol,yeah so and your point is?He fought a bunch of low level guys.Did Jose Luis Castillo lose any fights this year?

[Benncollinsaad]

You can say Liston's peak was in 1959-60, but he still remained in his prime for four more years-bottom line!

[catalinul]

Liston destroyed Patterson but I agree with catalinul that Liston was getting older and also slower. He fought a total of three rounds in three years before fighting Ali.

The 1959-1960 Liston was the best Liston in my opinion. He was willing to walk through punishment in order to get a title shot he felt he deserved. I think Liston truly believed that winning the heavyweight title would change the way public thought about him but it turned out that they didn't.

Yeah I agree.

He cleaned out the divison from 54 to 59 but that ended his best days.

[TheGreatA]

You can say Liston's peak was in 1959-60, but he still remained in his prime for four more years-bottom line!

I saw signs of him slowing down. The rumour has it that he didn't prepare at all for the second Patterson fight and not much more for the Ali fight.

Either way he was washed up by the time he fought Martin. The man was still a force but he tired badly in the later rounds. Against Henry Clark, a top 10 rated contender at the time, he showed signs of tiring but was able to put together combinations to stop Clark. Against Martin, whom Clark had actually beaten, he had to pay for it.

[BigMacFoster]

I heard he went trick or treating at Joe Frazier's home one halloween night,Twas no treat to find this irritated black man on your doorstep at night,Thankfully Smoking Joe had his chin tucked into his dressing gown and Martin meant no harm........turns out he just wanted a simple fight that's all.

[TheGreatA]

I heard he went trick or treating at Joe Frazier's home one halloween night,Twas no treat to find this irritated black man on your doorstep at night,Thankfully Smoking Joe had his chin tucked into his dressing gown and Martin meant no harm........turns out he just wanted a simple fight that's all.

Why should Frazier have fought Leotis Martin?

[BigMacFoster]

What,What do you mean? I never suggested anything,Nothing at all.

besides that Yank Durham knew Martin well,He was just protecting Smoking Joe.


He really did care about Smoking Joe did Yank,He didn't want him anywhere near a Ali rematch or against foreman.


It's just a shame how Joe frazier shows such little regard for his past trainers who had his best interests at heart,first when Yank died and then constantly dogging Eddie futch's good name through the dirt.


Just wasn't right.

[TheGreatA]

What,What do you mean? I never suggested anything,Nothing at all.

besides that Yank Durham knew Martin well,He was just protecting Smoking Joe.


He really did care about Smoking Joe did Yank,He didn't want him anywhere near a Ali rematch or against foreman.


It's just a shame how Joe frazier shows such little regard for his past trainers who had his best interests at heart,first when Yank died and then constantly dogging Eddie futch's good name through the dirt.


Just wasn't right.

You've said it before.

If Frazier was protected then why did he take on Oscar Bonavena in his 12th fight, Eddie Machen in his 13th and Doug Jones in his 14th? Why would he give Bonavena a rematch and fight the sharp-punching Jimmy Ellis?

I'm afraid Martin was never in the position to be avoided.

Frazier never dogged Futch's name through dirt. It's a myth. Joe never forgiving Futch for not letting him go out for the 15th is just that, a myth. Aren't you the one who always criticizes people for believing in myths?