On an ATG Heavyweight list is Frazier ranked over Foreman?

[sonnyboyx2]

Yes. For the same reason that most sane people rank Mike Tyson higher than either Holyfield.

Frazier was a better overall boxer, and did more as champion than Foreman.

Just because he lost to Foreman doesn't mean he wasn't as good on the all-time list.

Is Joe Louis ranked higher than Rocky Marciano? Is Jack Dempsey ranked higher than Tunney?

I'm not saying I rank them in any particular order, but it is certainly possible.



But Holmes had a much more potent jab than did Ali and could actually fire back with power. He not only would be able to fend off Foreman, he would be punishing him; while Ali basically avoided him until he got tired.

And no, those guys would not knock out Lennox Lewis. His chin was not glass. He had two fights where he came in fat and fought like a chode. There's a video floating around somewhere that absolutely puts to bed the notion that Lewis couldn't take a punch.

With his size, reach, power, skill, adjustments on the fly, etc., he would be a tough game for most opponents in history.

surely you are having a laugh claiming Holmes had a jab more potent than Muhammad Ali ? Ali never fired back eh ?

you need to sit down and watch the `Rumble in the jungle`Muhammad Ali "Staggered" Foreman with his jab, landed power-punches all night long and was the only man to knock out George Foreman..

Lennox Lewis was `weak chinned` regardless of someones video knocking around, the fact is Lewis was poleaxed twice by mediocre journeymen and Lewis and his supporters must live with that fact... if McCall & Rahman could put Lewis `lights-out` then Foreman & Frazier would smash his lamp into a million pieces..

[sonnyboyx2]

joe frazier would not even be in my top 100,he got destroyed by foreman,frazier would not beat tommy burns,burns would use is fast hand speed and quick foot work to kayo frazier

Joe Frazier - Fighter of the Year (3 Times)
Joe Frazier - Fight of the Year (4 Times)

Yet this clown says he is not in the top 100
Frazier is top 5

[El_Cholo]

Smokin' Joe would be above Foreman on my list as well.

[Burning Desire]

if McCall and Rahman could KO Lewis then Foreman would `Behead` him..

Frazier beat prime `Ringo Bonavena (twice) stopped Chuvalo, stopped Quarry (twice) beat Muhammad Ali, Knocked Out Jimmy Ellis (twice) KOd Mathis, Stander & Bob Foster and beat a young Joe Bugner.. he also "Broke Eddie Machen up" all fights which i have in my collection, IMO Fraziers record is excellent as all of the above fighters was in their absolute Prime when Frazier beat them..Who else knocked out these fighters other than Muhammad Ali.

Frazier took part in 4 Ring Magazine Fights of the Year How many did Lennox Lewis & Larry Holmes take part in..... NONE because they never fought the competition that Joe Frazier fought, they was never willing to lay it all on the line like Frazier did, the bottom line is those two fighters was not in the same league as Joe Frazier

Muhammad Ali had excellent punching power and to claim he did not is ridiculous ..

Jimmy Young is vastly over rated his only claim to fame is having Foreman trip-over his foot and touch the canvas with his glove otherwise Foreman was a clear winner.. Chris Byrd was twice as good as Jimmy Young..

Byrd was a clear winner over Holyfield all be it an old Holyfield and regardless of how many rounds the fight was fought over Byrd would have won.

Larry Holmes should of been in a FOTY, Ken Norton vs Larry Holmes was way better than Leon Spinks vs Muhammad Ali 1.

[sonnyboyx2]

Larry Holmes should of been in a FOTY, Ken Norton vs Larry Holmes was way better than Leon Spinks vs Muhammad Ali 1.

both fights was great to watch

[mrboxer]

these fights were boring filled with a lot o missed shots and above average clutch and grab,holmes,norton,and spinks are not in my top 100

[mike ruler]

Its not going to be a walkover for Larry, but I think he still wins it. He has a great jaw (see the shavers fight), better skills and better stamina. I thinki Larry works him with that quick one two, till George starts to tire and then puts him away.

Co-sign, Foreman had no defense against the jab at all. Ali tore him up with clean punches..

only saw the last 2 rounds of jimmy young fight so i cant comment....

as far as holmes i dont fall for larrys **** talking....i cant see foreman getting jabbed all day without fighting back......even ali couldnt dance around him like he did his previous wins with frazier and norton because foreman was too good at cutting off the ring....

None of those people you mentioned had the solid technical skills that Holmes had. A prime Holmes is one of the best technical heavyweights in boxing history. I think his skills and ability, and that jab would help to pick Foreman apart all night. Lennox, who also had a great jab, would have a field day. He could actually back Foreman up, the only hope for Big George is to catch him with one punch like Rahman did.

[boxingbuff]

can he be ranked higher than foreman even though he lost to him?

YES,styles make fights.

Is Randy Turpin better than SRR? Is Norton better than Ali?

It's one thing to beat someone,it's another thing to be better than them.

But i do rank Forman higher than Frazier.

[GJC]

these fights were boring filled with a lot o missed shots and above average clutch and grab,holmes,norton,and spinks are not in my top 100

Holmes isn't in your top 100 hw's either? Please post them I could do with a laugh.

[BigMacFoster]

All of you are crazy. Even in Philadelphia we aren't this delusional.

No love for frazier up in phillAY?

Oh well, So much for HBO's attempts at making us feel sorry for smoking joe, for having his own city put up a statue celebrating the accomplishments of a fake world champion rather than a real champion like himself


I think most would agree in saying Rocky balboa contributed so much more to the city of Philidalphia than Joe frazier did

Lennox, who also had a great jab, would have a field day.

I am by no means a Lennox Lewis hater,He is vastly underrated in a historical sense but let's not pretend he never struggled against a good jab either

Ray Mercer and frank bruno both out jabbed and outboxed Lennox,Despite Lewis on paper being better than both of them

foreman had an excellent jab when he first started and in his comeback years

It's really not difficult to imagine foreman out jabbing Lewis