What factors do you consider when determining a fighter’s greatness?

[billeau2]

Frazier an arm puncher. Old War Room. Hahaha. Clueless.

Lol. Sounded like something Elroy would have said... Classic, one of those moments best preserved for posterity.

[billeau2]

Quality of opp is huge! Greb is my all time no 1 because his qual of opp and so many wins is pretty much unparalleled

Cfang... Its an interesting thing when a fighter becomes "legendary." Take a fighter like Gatti, Robinson, Ali, and of course Greb. Then take a fighter like Dempsey, Armstrong, Tunney.... All great fighters except Gatti, but some fighters achieve a legendary status. I think that could even be a consideration when we guage greatness... It tends to show up even at much later times in history... Marchegiano brings this out in his research on ancient Greek fighters.

No doubt that Greb is a legend. From his fighting with one eye, his method of fighting, etc. Along with the men he beat, it figures into his greatness IMO.

[GhostofDempsey]

If a fighter didn't duck anyone and fared well in most of the fights that makes them great if they were champions. If the fans wanted them to fight someone and they did you have to credit them more than fighters like Mayweather and Pac that choose fights based on their chances to win and make the most money. All those factors mentioned are important but if you can remember a fighter that always fought the fans choice that would be the most important. I can't say there are many active fighters today, if any at all that can be classified like that.

During PAC’s prime he fought everyone. Took on tough rematches when he didn’t have to, was often the smaller guy in the ring. One of the biggest risk takers in boxing now or ever.

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During PAC’s prime he fought everyone. Took on tough rematches when he didn’t have to, was often the smaller guy in the ring. One of the biggest risk takers in boxing now or ever.

That is true. What left a bad taste in my mouth was he didn't get in with Mayweather when the fans wanted it. Back in 2011 there was a great deal of demand by fans for the fight to happen when both were in their prime. I know Mayweather made accusations about drug testing and offering more than he should of the purse sharing but one fighter had to step up and make it happen.

[QueensburyRules]

That is true. What left a bad taste in my mouth was he didn't get in with Mayweather when the fans wanted it. Back in 2011 there was a great deal of demand by fans for the fight to happen when both were in their prime. I know Mayweather made accusations about drug testing and offering more than he should of the purse sharing but one fighter had to step up and make it happen.

- -First time attempting to plow over long hardened ground ain't working for ye is it?

50/50 purse split with Manny who was running for Congress agreeing to meet Boy Floydy reservation date March 13, 2010 MGM. Boy Floydy never showed up on the date at the venue and forfeited his deposit. Manny forced to shift gears met the date with the inauguration of the new Cowboy Stadium in front of 40,000 fans against the tough African, Josh Clottey whom everyone had been ducking including Boy Floydy, but not Manny. He followed that up vs Margarito whom Boy Floydy also ducked cuz Daddy say he too hard and too Mexican.

U wuz sayin'?

[HOUDINI563]

Issue with Frazier was his lack of coordination with his right hand. Only heavyweight champion never to score a KO or a even a knockdown with his right hand. He could pound a much more static target, the body, with right hands but rarely put together left right combinations to the head. You could see Frazier REALLY concentrating hard to land his right to the head.

Frazier would generally grind opponents down rather than score one punch kos even with his hook.

[QueensburyRules]

- -One eyed Joe blinded by Mercante and suffering from a prediabetic high blood pressure syndrome could only BTFO prime Ali before blasting him to the canvas with a leaping left hook that left Ali disfigured into some kind pain medication ad with the disclaimer not to attempt to swallow a whole g****fruit...tanks fer the reminder...

[markusmod]

I think that belts and champions can be relative. This is one of the reasons why I love the lineal: It is absolute. Bronner won plenty of belts, and all of them were crap, meanwhile Burley never won a belt and was an incredible fighter.

I think his belt against DeMarco was legit.

[billeau2]

I think his belt against DeMarco was legit.

Broner was in fact very talented. Larry used to take much shiat because he thought Bronner was going to be great. I don't think his prediction was a bad one. I felt that way about Juan Ma... LOL.

[billeau2]

Issue with Frazier was his lack of coordination with his right hand. Only heavyweight champion never to score a KO or a even a knockdown with his right hand. He could pound a much more static target, the body, with right hands but rarely put together left right combinations to the head. You could see Frazier REALLY concentrating hard to land his right to the head.

Frazier would generally grind opponents down rather than score one punch kos even with his hook.

Its amazing how people can compensate for handicaps like this one. Frazier compensated for a jab (more or less) by being a swarmer... and one of the best at it.