Bob Arum Reveals 50/50 Contract Sent By Mayweather for Pacquiao Fight

[GhostofDempsey]

LMAO. Dude, do you read what I post to you. Go back, look at when the mediation began, and when it ended. That should give you the timeframe. It's not rocket science.


I'm pretty sure we are done.

Nice duck. Why is is so hard for you to tell me the month and year Floyd agreed to the 14-day testing?

[travestyny]

Nice duck. Why is is so hard for you to tell me the month and year Floyd agreed to the 14-day testing?

LMAOOOO. If you can't figure it out from what I posted, then you don't have much of a brain, now do you. I won't spoon feed you, but I'll help you out by posting it one more time:

Both sides agreed to enter into mediation on January 7, 2010, in hopes of coming to an agreement on the blood testing issue. Retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who successfully resolved a prior dispute between Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions, would again act as mediator. Two days later, after hours of negotiating during mediation, Arum declared that the fight was officially off after Mayweather refused to agree to a 24-day cut-off date. Mayweather revealed that he offered a 14-day cut-off date to Team Pacquiao, but it was rejected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_...in%20a%20round.

You see the date that the mediation began? Do you see the reference to when it ended. Simple math should get you there, buddy. Pretty sure we are done now.

[Larry the boss]

it is literally common knowledge that thew original deal was 50/50 with drug testing and they argued over cutoff..after that Floyd said 50/50 was off of the table..how is this even an argument?

[The Old LefHook]

Listen to these women argue.

[GhostofDempsey]

LMAOOOO. If you can't figure it out from what I posted, then you don't have much of a brain, now do you. I won't spoon feed you, but I'll help you out by posting it one more time:





You see the date that the mediation began? Do you see the reference to when it ended. Simple math should get you there, buddy. Pretty sure we are done now.

Leonard Ellerbe declared on January 18, that random blood and urine testing will be implemented in all of Mayweather's future fights, regardless of the opponent. On February 13, in an exclusive interview with David Mayo of The Grand Rapids Press, Mayweather said, "I gave him [Pacquiao] a chance, up to 14 days out. But my new terms are all the way up to the fight. They can come get us whenever, all the way up to the fight, random drug test. That's what it is."

Why would Floyd, just a couple weeks after mediation change his position again, to testing right up until the fight? Flip-flop.

So the original and alleged contract was null and void just like I said, never valid to begin with. During mediation, Floyd went from day of weigh-in, to 14 days, then to all the way up to the fight by 13 Feb 10? Floyd is the one who walked away from negotiation table when he refused 24 days testing. Doesn't seem to me Floyd was ever serious about 14 days either when the alleged offer was only in a very brief window where mediation didn't resolve anything. Lets face it, Olympic testing was introduced as a means for Floyd to duck Manny to begin with. There is also some ambiguity that surrounded mediation, Weinstein himself had to issue a statement to the public:

Judge Daniel Weinstein today issued an order to correct the false record that has been created by the recent statements from Top Rank and Manny Pacquiao's representatives concerning what occurred at the mediation. The full text of the Judge's statement is as follows:

Mediator's Corrective Order Re: Mayweather-Pacquiao Mediation

The Mediator finds:

1. Various articles have appeared in the press purporting to characterize the substance and outcome of the Mayweather-Pacquiao mediation and the negotiations between the parties. Many of the reports are incorrect.

2. The mediation was a confidential proceeding. Any comments to the press or public by participants in the mediation purporting to report the substance or details of the mediation are violations of the strict confidentiality to which the parties and their representatives agreed and which they authorized the Mediator to enforce.

3. The parties and their representatives authorized that, if misinformation was disclosed to the press by either side, the Mediator would correct any erroneous information.

The Mediator corrects the erroneous reports to the press as follows:

a. Both parties participated in the mediation in good faith. Both parties participated in many hours of negotiation, with a number of proposals issued by each side and carefully considered by the parties and their representatives.

b. The Mediator himself did not formulate, recommend or issue a Mediator's Proposal. The Mediator did not make an evaluation or finding that any one of the many proposals considered by the parties was the correct protocol.

c. Any attempt to characterize the mediation process as an acceptance or rejection by any of the parties of a mediator's or an arbiter's proposal or of any specific proposal is false.

d. In the end, the parties could not agree on a testing protocol acceptable to all.


The Judge didn’t recommend a blood testing protocol, didn’t endorse one, and neither side accepted or rejected any one particular proposal. Floyd insisted on blaming Pacquiao, but it was Floyd who got up from the table and walked away from a 24 day proposal. Floyd also refused to withdraw his allegations of Manny using steroids, which was also part of mediation. Manny later received a 7-figure settlement from the lawsuit.

Later negotiations would prove Mayweather was the one ducking when he suggested ludicrous offers like a flat $40 million to Manny in 2012, which immediately priced himself out. His long list of excuses like Manny needs to leave Arum, Manny has losses, Manny has Marquez issues, Manny isn't deserving or good enough, he even went into another fake retirement... these were all used to avoid the fight at an earlier date. Same way Floyd ducked Mosley at 135 when Shane called him out. Same way Floyd "retired" instead of giving Oscar a rematch.

[GhostofDempsey]

it is literally common knowledge that thew original deal was 50/50 with drug testing and they argued over cutoff..after that Floyd said 50/50 was off of the table..how is this even an argument?

Nothing is common knowledge, unless you're just a biased fanboy, which we all know you are Larry. Your input is from a place of bias. Olympic testing was introduced as a duck from the very beginning. He ran out of excuses and kept moving the goal line. The 50/50 agreement called for testing up until weigh in. Hard no by Manny. Mediation Floyd got up and walked out, refused to compromise on 24 days. Couple weeks later he is back to "testing right up until day of the fight". He knew damn well that wasn't going to fly.

[Willie Pep 229]

Nothing is common knowledge, unless you're just a biased fanboy, which we all know you are Larry. Your input is from a place of bias. Olympic testing was introduced as a duck from the very beginning. He ran out of excuses and kept moving the goal line. The 50/50 agreement called for testing up until weigh in. Hard no by Manny. Mediation Floyd got up and walked out, refused to compromise on 24 days. Couple weeks later he is back to "testing right up until day of the fight". He knew damn well that wasn't going to fly.

Please excuse this slight digression but could you tell me the final agreement regarding blood tests when they actually did fight?

[GhostofDempsey]

Please excuse this slight digression but could you tell me the final agreement regarding blood tests when they actually did fight?

In May of 2010, he gave in to the 14 day testing, but Floyd already decided it was up to the day of the fight or nothing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8698753.stm

In July of 2011, he agreed to full testing at any time providing they use an agency other than USADA, which they felt was not a neutral organization. This su****ion would later be confirmed when USADA and NSAC allowed a two week exception for Mayweather when he was caught with an illegal IV.

http://en.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/100115.html

[ShoulderRoll]

it is literally common knowledge that thew original deal was 50/50 with drug testing and they argued over cutoff..after that Floyd said 50/50 was off of the table..how is this even an argument?

It's very well known.

But GhostofaKlansman will go to any lengths to try to win an argument. At the moment he's buffoonishly trying to convince everyone that Jimmy DeForest, Bob Arum, and Kevin Iole aren't credible sources.

[travestyny]

Leonard Ellerbe declared on January 18, that random blood and urine testing will be implemented in all of Mayweather's future fights, regardless of the opponent. On February 13, in an exclusive interview with David Mayo of The Grand Rapids Press, Mayweather said, "I gave him [Pacquiao] a chance, up to 14 days out. But my new terms are all the way up to the fight. They can come get us whenever, all the way up to the fight, random drug test. That's what it is."

Why would Floyd, just a couple weeks after mediation change his position again, to testing right up until the fight? Flip-flop.

So the original and alleged contract was null and void just like I said, never valid to begin with. During mediation, Floyd went from day of weigh-in, to 14 days, then to all the way up to the fight by 13 Feb 10? Floyd is the one who walked away from negotiation table when he refused 24 days testing. Doesn't seem to me Floyd was ever serious about 14 days either when the alleged offer was only in a very brief window where mediation didn't resolve anything. Lets face it, Olympic testing was introduced as a means for Floyd to duck Manny to begin with. There is also some ambiguity that surrounded mediation, Weinstein himself had to issue a statement to the public:

Judge Daniel Weinstein today issued an order to correct the false record that has been created by the recent statements from Top Rank and Manny Pacquiao's representatives concerning what occurred at the mediation. The full text of the Judge's statement is as follows:

Mediator's Corrective Order Re: Mayweather-Pacquiao Mediation

The Mediator finds:

1. Various articles have appeared in the press purporting to characterize the substance and outcome of the Mayweather-Pacquiao mediation and the negotiations between the parties. Many of the reports are incorrect.

2. The mediation was a confidential proceeding. Any comments to the press or public by participants in the mediation purporting to report the substance or details of the mediation are violations of the strict confidentiality to which the parties and their representatives agreed and which they authorized the Mediator to enforce.

3. The parties and their representatives authorized that, if misinformation was disclosed to the press by either side, the Mediator would correct any erroneous information.

The Mediator corrects the erroneous reports to the press as follows:

a. Both parties participated in the mediation in good faith. Both parties participated in many hours of negotiation, with a number of proposals issued by each side and carefully considered by the parties and their representatives.

b. The Mediator himself did not formulate, recommend or issue a Mediator's Proposal. The Mediator did not make an evaluation or finding that any one of the many proposals considered by the parties was the correct protocol.

c. Any attempt to characterize the mediation process as an acceptance or rejection by any of the parties of a mediator's or an arbiter's proposal or of any specific proposal is false.

d. In the end, the parties could not agree on a testing protocol acceptable to all.


The Judge didn’t recommend a blood testing protocol, didn’t endorse one, and neither side accepted or rejected any one particular proposal. Floyd insisted on blaming Pacquiao, but it was Floyd who got up from the table and walked away from a 24 day proposal. Floyd also refused to withdraw his allegations of Manny using steroids, which was also part of mediation. Manny later received a 7-figure settlement from the lawsuit.

Later negotiations would prove Mayweather was the one ducking when he suggested ludicrous offers like a flat $40 million to Manny in 2012, which immediately priced himself out. His long list of excuses like Manny needs to leave Arum, Manny has losses, Manny has Marquez issues, Manny isn't deserving or good enough, he even went into another fake retirement... these were all used to avoid the fight at an earlier date. Same way Floyd ducked Mosley at 135 when Shane called him out. Same way Floyd "retired" instead of giving Oscar a rematch.

Good try.


Yes, after the fight was declared off, Floyd said for all of his opponents from then on, there will be no cut-off for drug testing. Of course the contract was null and void AFTER THE FIGHT WAS OFFICIALLY CALLED OFF. This happened after mediation failed and Arum declared the fight was off.

The mediator had to come out and state that PACQUIAO'S SIDE MADE FALSE STATEMENTS. You conveniently left out this part before what the mediator found:

Judge Daniel Weinstein today issued an order to correct the false record that has been created by the recent statements from Top Rank and Manny Pacquiao's representatives concerning what occurred at the mediation.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content6645.html

That's because Pacquiao's team insisted that the mediator made a suggestion of a 24 day cutoff and Mayweather rejected it and walked out. A clear mischaracterization of what happened. That's why he is stating:

1. He did NOT make any suggestion as to what the protocol should be (which Pac's team claimed).
2. There were multiple offers (Not just Pac's team's offer, which they painted it out to be. ie. Mayweather made a 14 day cutoff offer).


Feel free to look at the link and you will find clearly that it said the mediator responded as a result of Pacquiao's team's FALSE RECORD OF WHAT HAPPENED.


You are doing the same thing that Pac's team was doing. Claiming that he walked from a 24 day proposal....but no mention of him offering 14 days.


Again, what it boiled down to was 50/50 and a 14 day cut off. In the end when they fought, Pac accepted 40/60 and 0 day cut off. There should be no more to say about this.



But feel free to talk about Arum's excuses about needing 3 months for a cut to heal, needing to make an outdoor stadium to hold the fight, holding a fake negotiation with himself apparently, choosing Marquez instead of agreeing to negotiate for the fight and exclaiming that the Mayweather fight will "always be there." That can be discussed in another thread though. This thread was about Arum agreeing that the 50/50 contract existed.

It's over now. I'm satisfied the point was proven.